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Hindsight was 2020
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« on: April 27, 2017, 09:03:09 AM »

That was just a depressing read JFC
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 05:14:38 PM »

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Okay, let's assume this is true for a second, because I think the article skirts a powerful point and then drops it. These questions are more important:

(1) Are people mad at the "elites" because something has genuinely gone wrong?
(2) If yes, what has gone wrong?
(3) What, if anything, can Democrats and the political left do to fix it?
(4) What, if anything, can Democrats and the political left do to communicate this?


1) the answer is no from the beginning of this country people have resented "the elite". People on the hard left want to use Trump's rise about free trade an dems not standing up to wallstreet enough when it has to do with how freakin stupid as a voting culture we are an the polarization of our media mainly from the RW
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 09:21:50 PM »

Yeah libs condensation can get annoying but at the same time their is rightful frustration. We can rip on this article like this but for everyone one of these there are 3 "libs are anti-american cucks who have blood on their hands because *abortion/ISIS killing/illegal immigrant killing" on Brietbart/Drudge/Fox. Heck look at Fox I did a thread last month on how Fox has prime time shows openly say "liberals hate everything that is good" in an nonsarcastic way to cheers while I have never seen MSNBC at their worst act like that. Or how about the fact libs get rip on for online "safe spaces" but The_Donald on reddit or Brietbart bans anyone who criticizes or makes fun of Trump. So yeah lets not act like their is a bigotry of low expectations here where libs are time an time again demanded to be the adults in the room while the right has gone completely off the deep end an throws bombs like no tomorrow
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 10:08:59 PM »

... but The_Donald on reddit or Brietbart bans anyone who criticizes or makes fun of Trump.

Do they really ?
So if I were to go there and refer to trump as "an orange-haired clown" like I do here, they would ban my username ?
I cant believe they would do that.

Yep I've heard stories banned over less
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 11:02:39 PM »

So to sum, in order for a Trump supporter to regret their vote, their drop in faith in Trump would have to be substantial enough to (1) overcome the fact that Trump won, (2) overcome their own hesitating at admitting a mistake, and (3) overcoming the fact that Hillary lost.

Finally, after being tarred and insulted as "deplorables" who are "ruining America" for years, admitting that they regretted their vote would be a humiliating concession that the people calling them these names were, in some way shape or form, right, even if not in their direct attacks. For that reason alone, Trump voters may resist reevaluation.

I agree with your points here, but I also think it's worth emphasizing the qualities of Trump himself that would compel his voters to remain loyal to him.  Politico recently posted an article that I think crystallizes the reasons that a significant chunk of his supporters are immensely happy with him.  They see him as someone who is willing to stand up for them and their values, and restore the vision of America that they feel has been slipping away from them.  They wanted a strongman in what they perceived were desperate times, and in Donald Trump, they have one.
Hate to be the one to do this but "they want a strongman to restore their vision of America" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6sXIoYOnps
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2017, 09:32:24 AM »

If that happened, I would be fine with him losing. He has no real solutions and I didn't think he did. More than anything, he is simultaneously a symptom of the problem and a reaction to it. As much as I disagree with him otherwise, I credit Michael Moore for recognizing this in advance of the election when he said that Trump was a grenade for the angry and disaffected people to throw at the status quo. We wouldn't have had to come to this if people believed that they could be heard otherwise.

I think there's a lot of truth to this, but I just want to point out that (so far) there hasn't been any change in Washington--it's still a rich-only club full of old white men who are governing for their own interests, and not anyone else's.
Not true a (R) who makes libs miserable is in office an for many that's all the change they wanted
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