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« on: February 10, 2010, 11:02:01 AM »
« edited: February 10, 2010, 11:20:45 AM by big bad fab »

Adolf Eichmann is the obvious first, I guess.

EDIT: BTW, Rony Brauman took part in a recent documentary with images from Eichmann's trial.
It's amazingly interesting to see and hear Eichmann explaining his technocratic problems of logistics, transportation, climate, water, etc...

I've always asked myself what some of the high civil servants I knwo and work with everyday would have done at the same post...

Of course, Eichmann wasn't a "trivial" civil servant, he was first a very convinced Nazi. But he acted, behaved, thought like an almost normal civil servant. And, frighteningly, a very efficient one.
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 11:22:55 AM »

Julius STREICHER

This man was only living for hate. His Journal "Der Stürmer" was full of hate propaganda against the Jew and all Anti-Nazis.
Indeed, he is synonymous for hate.
But I first voted for Eichmann as he was the real manager of the Endlösung.
Until the very end... When you know how he tried to eliminate Hungarian Jews while the Soviets were almost in the neighbourhood...
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 11:52:09 AM »

Julius STREICHER

This man was only living for hate. His Journal "Der Stürmer" was full of hate propaganda against the Jew and all Anti-Nazis.

^^^

Fab, Streicher was a key architect of all atmosphere which led to Eichmann activity

Eichmann enforced it with a zeal and a "efficiency" which are really frightening. He was the key guy in the mechanism, just after Heydrich.
You see a Streicher coming, you don't see an Eichmann coming....
And the anti-semitism was already very widespread (everywhere BTW, not only in Germany) for some decades when Streicher became vocal.

BTW, Streicher was let with a small satrapy of his own, but wasn't a prominent Nazi leader after 1933-35.

Anyway, see Hans, this is more "competitive" than you thought Wink.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 10:31:25 AM »

3 for Streicher
2 for Erich Koch
1 for Seyss-Inquart

Erich Koch deserves some consideration: he's the archetypical satrap, with his own German base (for power, money, "friends", etc.) and with his "playground" in occupied territories, with of course an important complicity in the Endlösung, locally, and in the repression of political opponents.

Erich Koch was really evil (and moron evil, different from efficient Eichmann and "clever" Heydrich).
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2010, 09:01:45 AM »

Ercih Koch

I don't know if he was more a pig or a butcher...
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2010, 11:23:33 AM »

Eliminate Martin BORMANN

Keep Josef "Sepp" DIETRICH

(just because I know he is threatened and that I prefer Bormann or... Seyss-Inquart to go first)
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 11:46:23 AM »

Martin Bormann
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2010, 04:28:38 PM »

Daluege (the ordinary police became part of the Endlösung and the repression with him)
Keitel (well, after all, he was tried and executed)
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 04:25:39 PM »

Eliminate Wilhelm Keitel

Immune Adolf Galland
(why not ?)
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 11:25:25 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 06:10:06 PM »

Karl Brandt

(I hate von Papen but we still have this one: sterilization, euthanasia, medical experiments, etc: he wasn't "just" Hitler's physician...)
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 03:50:43 AM »

3 Speer
2 Rust
1 Ley

Fine vote xyz, this is the order of my next 3 !
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 06:08:41 PM »

Rust
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2010, 02:12:15 PM »

Sorry but I've got one more to do before Papen Wink

Robert Ley
another perfect satrap, old Nazi and very loyal guy
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2010, 06:22:08 PM »

Ley

Darré, a real racist
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2010, 04:42:46 PM »

Richard Walther DARRE

fab, you are right. He must go before all the others.
I'm alaways right, just not understood sometimes... Grin

Darré indeed.
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2010, 06:44:00 AM »

Werner Best

A bit like Ohlendorf and Schellenberg, he was one of those "intellectuals" who were efficient administrative leaders.
I think he was really dangerous.
(but von Epp, Jüttner and... Leni are good ideas too: Leni was very dangerous as she gave the image power to the Nazism, after all)
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2010, 03:24:26 AM »

Werner Best

A bit like Ohlendorf and Schellenberg, he was one of those "intellectuals" who were efficient administrative leaders.
I think he was really dangerous.
(but von Epp, Jüttner and... Leni are good ideas too: Leni was very dangerous as she gave the image power to the Nazism, after all)

This is all true, however, Best opposed the scorched earth policy and was initially reluctant to help deport Danish Jews (unenthusiastic might be a better word).  Best should definitely go soon, and fab's right about him being a dangerous intellectual, but for the reasons above, I think there are one or two on this list who should go first.  With that in mind, I vote to eliminate...

...Gustav Adolf Scheel, he was a real anti-semite, a very committed Nazi (even after the war), and deported many Jews from Southwestern Germany to death camps.

It's also a very good idea, and, TBH, I first wrote "S-c-h-e-e-l", before deciding I've already originated many oustings of Gauleiters Grin.
A will of efficiency explain the "good" behaviours of Best, therefore I don't credit him with those.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2010, 11:28:29 AM »

Wow, you've merged the groups with Berger and Jüttner !!
This was THE big "administrative" fight inside the SS !!

As my vote for Best wasn't the best one (Grin), I try this bastard Bouhler and give one point to the evil power of image:

2 Philipp Bouhler
1 Leni Riefenstahl
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 04:16:35 PM »

Leni RIEFENSTAHL
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2010, 03:57:31 PM »

Eliminate Gertrud SCHOLTZ-KLINK
Immunity for Gottlob BERGER

This.

I'm a bit ashamed to try to save Berger (one of the builders of the Waffen-SS and a very active administrative authority in the SS), but, well, I dream of a round with a tie between him and Jüttner Grin
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2010, 01:36:50 PM »

Back to Werner Best Wink
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2010, 06:09:59 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2010, 03:18:17 AM »

Amazing that Jüttner and Berger are still safe... Cheesy
with a Seldte-Schacht match now !?! a very marxist one in a way !

Seldte
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2010, 12:02:12 PM »

Too risky to vote for Jüttner... Wink

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