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Torie
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« on: April 02, 2023, 03:25:42 PM »
« edited: April 02, 2023, 04:28:28 PM by Torie »

your average person with no prior exposure would be disgusted by the LGBT unless they're socially conditioned to think it's OK, cue liberal screeching).

Conditioning goes both ways my friend. Biases are learned, they aren't ingrained.

I disagree with you strongly. This is the natural bias of every human society everywhere at large, to be intolerant of LGBT and cannibalism. And if it's a bias, it's a bias from God, and not men. Which is why I am confident in taking that position.

Another thing to realize is that societies where it is normalized and promoted are destroyed, or these elements within them disappear within a few decades or centuries, such as the people of Lot, Ancient Greece, and Ancient Rome (usually in combination with other heavily correlated factors). Since it's not a sustainable way to live; it destroys family values, and even the very idea of what a family is, leading to infertility and an aged and shrinking population. We know that LGBT is (at least) 75% caused by non-genetic community and environmental influences, which is what is leading to its recent rise in American society, but it isn't likely to stick around for centuries due to the way it destroys itself. So we can determine that very few people are born gay, rather, they are indoctrinated into it, and even under an entirely secular worldview, it's tough to argue against evolution making Homo sapiens averse to homosexual behavior.

I assume the 75% figure comes from this bit of a sentence:

"We performed a genome-wide association study (GWAS) on 477,522 individuals, revealing five loci significantly associated with same-sex sexual behavior. In aggregate, all tested genetic variants accounted for 8 to 25% of variation in same-sex sexual behavior, only partially overlapped between males and females, ... ."

Assuming that the study was well done, what would be accurate to say is that systematic differences in sexual attraction based on genetic differences have not been documented to account for more than 25% of such behavior based on the research to date. That does not mean that one can conclude that genetics does not account for a higher percentage, it is just that studies looking for smoking gun gay genes have not yet found evidence for more. The combination of genetic patterns may be more subtle and complex, and if so, have not been teased out to date. Be patient.

Your sentence that the balance is "caused by non-genetic community and environmental factors" seems reasonable, but then  characterizing such factors as "indoctrination" into being gay is anything but reasonable. Unless you think people going gay due to their life experiences, their relationships with their family, who they meet in life that they want to spend time with, is "indoctrination," which would be a gross distortion of what the word means. So is the bit about "destroying family values," making heterosexual behavior a synonym for family values. That is also tendentious and a butchering of the term "family values." I am not letting those who think my choices in life a fail due to my sexual attraction and with whom I want to be, take exclusive ownership of that term, and away from me. I also believe in family values.

Anyway, if gays (LGBTQ) is on its way out of its own accord due to natural selection, why don't you all leave us alone in the meantime? We are self liquidating. Be happy.

Natural selection and evolution may not be as effective as you might wish. You see, gays often are care givers to others, and support them, because perhaps they do not have issue of their own to worry about, so can help others in the clan to survive and prosper, so their survival rate is better, with say a recessive gay gene.

And then there are all those lesbians and gay men who are having kids now through surrogates and artificial insemination to consider as well.

My opinion is that the case against gays that you adduced badly needs a tuneup. It is outdated and stale*, and increasingly impeached by facts on the ground.

*The bit about Greece and Rome going down the tubes due to the gay is just embarrassingly a non factual statement. That one is even worse than the one that the Romans were all poisoned to death and went insane during to excessive lead consumption from drinking out of goblets made out of lead, and not much better than the claim that allowing excessive immigration that degraded the purity of the race, leading to its switching out its alpha status for beta status, and thus vulnerable to the alpha barbarians at the gate.

Finally, the mods should not delete your post, wrong that it is. That is my request. I do not have that much confidence that my request will be honored, but maybe since I embedded it in my response to it. Keep hope alive.

Cheers
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2023, 07:10:26 AM »
« Edited: April 03, 2023, 10:49:44 AM by Torie »

Legalized euthanasia is problematical precisely because the securing of true consent can be problematical. The right to die becomes the duty to die. Cannibalism does not seem to afford much benefit to the decedent, unlike perhaps euthanasia, so the negative aspects of it, are not balanced off by any significant benefits.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2023, 10:47:26 AM »
« Edited: April 03, 2023, 10:50:42 AM by Torie »

Legalized euthanasia is problematical precisely because the securing of true consent can be problematical. The right to die becomes the duty to die.

Yeah, maybe you find this problematic but Ferguson97 sees no issue with it. In fact, as he would say, it is immoral for someone to deprive someone else of the right to kill themselves if they want it because of consent and free choice

Cannibalism does not seem to afford much benefit to the decedent, unlike perhaps euthanasia, so the negative aspects of it, and not balanced off be any significant benefits.

Couldn't this argument be applied to eating meat, drugs, a lot of other things that he would presumably accept? After all non-vegans live like ten years less than vegans. So there are no significant benefits to eating meat. And you could say it tastes good, but the thing is that someone could say that about human meat too. Or brussels' sprouts. And you can't say anything against that.

There might not be any significant benefits to meat and various drugs other than personal preference. That does not mean that they should be illegal necessarily. That would depend on the degree of harm. One harm might be a psychological one. We don't want dog and cat meat sold in the store even if as healthy to eat as chicken, because they are pet animals, and offend most people's sensibilities. Same for people streaking down Broadway in Manhattan even if not a traffic hazard. Human meat if you believe Dule is unhealthy to eat as well. Whether it is or not, I don't want it sold in the store either, even though I tend to like dogs better than humans. Sue me.

You do love to argue don't you? Have fun. I'm done.  Angel
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