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oddfellowslocal151
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« on: December 17, 2017, 02:13:18 PM »

ÖVP-FPÖ are cracking down much harder against illegal (economic) migrants:

* Similar to Denmark, the cash that these immigrants/asylum seekers have with them when entering the country will be confiscated and used to pay for their housing.

* Also, their cell phones will be confiscated to see which migration routes they took, if they have radical Islamist content on their phones such as beheadings, torture etc.

* If migrants entering the country turn out to have destroyed their passports to hide or fake their identity (many Arab/African men who came in the past years claimed to be 11 years, but had full-grown beards ... Roll Eyes), their asylum claim will be automatically rejected and the people deported.

So no significant change of immigration policy in Austria either. Never really even looked like the FPÖ pushed for something radical. It does not make a whole lot of sense to talk a lot about illegal migration, when everybody in the World still has the right to go to Austria and apply for asylum. Even if the asylum application is rejected, these people are very hard to deport.

The Danish proposal about valuables is just another symbolic effort with very little effect in reality. In the year since it was approved, it has been used 4 times to confiscate a total amount of 117.000 DKK (16.000 euro). I'm guessing that amount does not pay housing for very many people in many months, neither in Denmark nor Austria. The proposal might have a very marginal role in the considered "attractiveness" of Austria as a place to apply for asylum in, but since EU-countries does not want to make significantly tighter immigration policies, they love these symbolic tough policies so soon most countries will copy each other there. Also, the most decisive thing is probably still where there are many immigrants already, since people go where their family and friends have already gone, so there's a path dependency which means Austria, having taken a lot of migrants, will probably continue to get a quite high share of them.

True, but the symbolism (coupled with better enforcement/cuts in welfare money and more deportations) will work wonders and will very likely keep many potential economic migrants from the Middle East and Africa away. If people who are already here tell their relatives etc. abroad that policies are going to be significantly tougher in the next years, many people on the move there will likely opt for other countries who have a weaker policy on economic migrants instead.

Sad to see the criminalization of migration in another country.
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oddfellowslocal151
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2017, 06:19:42 PM »

ÖVP-FPÖ are cracking down much harder against illegal (economic) migrants:

* Similar to Denmark, the cash that these immigrants/asylum seekers have with them when entering the country will be confiscated and used to pay for their housing.

* Also, their cell phones will be confiscated to see which migration routes they took, if they have radical Islamist content on their phones such as beheadings, torture etc.

* If migrants entering the country turn out to have destroyed their passports to hide or fake their identity (many Arab/African men who came in the past years claimed to be 11 years, but had full-grown beards ... Roll Eyes), their asylum claim will be automatically rejected and the people deported.

So no significant change of immigration policy in Austria either. Never really even looked like the FPÖ pushed for something radical. It does not make a whole lot of sense to talk a lot about illegal migration, when everybody in the World still has the right to go to Austria and apply for asylum. Even if the asylum application is rejected, these people are very hard to deport.

The Danish proposal about valuables is just another symbolic effort with very little effect in reality. In the year since it was approved, it has been used 4 times to confiscate a total amount of 117.000 DKK (16.000 euro). I'm guessing that amount does not pay housing for very many people in many months, neither in Denmark nor Austria. The proposal might have a very marginal role in the considered "attractiveness" of Austria as a place to apply for asylum in, but since EU-countries does not want to make significantly tighter immigration policies, they love these symbolic tough policies so soon most countries will copy each other there. Also, the most decisive thing is probably still where there are many immigrants already, since people go where their family and friends have already gone, so there's a path dependency which means Austria, having taken a lot of migrants, will probably continue to get a quite high share of them.

True, but the symbolism (coupled with better enforcement/cuts in welfare money and more deportations) will work wonders and will very likely keep many potential economic migrants from the Middle East and Africa away. If people who are already here tell their relatives etc. abroad that policies are going to be significantly tougher in the next years, many people on the move there will likely opt for other countries who have a weaker policy on economic migrants instead.

Sad to see the criminalization of migration in another country.

"criminalization of migration"

LOL.

It's an act of self-defense against a political caste that has acted extremely naive over the recent years when it comes to culture-hostile mass immigration.

A small level of immigration is nothing bad, but it needs to be controlled and it needs to come from culture-similar areas and not backwards regions such as AfPak, Somalia and elsewhere.

If you allow such a policy, you will only import anti-semitism, religious extremism, misogyny and generally failed, illiterate people from the poorest regions that you simply cannot integrate into our labour market and society without also burdening the hard-working local population.

ok, well that is still criminalizing migration, even if you have a reason for it or if you support it. You can say that the Austrian government is criminalizing migration is "an act of self-defense" but I don't see how you can say that they are not criminalizing migration. I do not support it, so I am sad.
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