Mini Tuesday results thread

[Calthrina950]

Why the hell does any state have no excuse absentee voting?  If you have no excuse for not voting on election day - You DONT need an absentee ballot!!!  The hint is in the name, absentee.

I don't understand the obsession with why people have to vote on election day. People should be able to vote whenever is most convenient for them once they are satisfied they have all the information they want and all the debates and stuff have ended. It limits the amount of overcrowding and long lines at poll stations and it prevents scenarios of last minute emergencies or bad weather preventing someone from voting. Worst case scenario you get a situation like the Montana special election in 2017 where a candidate beats a guy up 24 hours before polls close, but that's about the only real problem I can imagine.

I certainly agree. I believe all states which haven't done so should at least move to Colorado's mail-in ballot system, along with adopting same-day registration and/or automatic registration. Unfortunately, that is unlikely to happen in the near future.

[Calthrina950]

Biden was expected to carry Missouri in a landslide, but it is notable, nevertheless. Hillary Clinton beat Sanders there with an extremely narrow plurality last time around. I suspect the county map will show Biden sweeping most of the rurals that she lost.

[Calthrina950]

It is over for Bernie Sanders. Absolutely over. His last chance at winning the Presidency has gone down the drain. Biden is going to coast to the nomination after tonight.

[Calthrina950]

The real question here is: Does Biden's strength in the WWC/Rural Dem counties translate to the general? If so, Trump is done.

Not necessarily, especially when you consider that primary turnout this time around in certain areas has remained stagnant or decreased from 2016 - a sign that some former self-identified Democrats have left the party. Biden doesn't have these voters locked in.

But conversely, Biden's strength in suburban areas thus far suggests that he could improve Hillary Clinton's performance in those regions. Nevertheless, I still hold to my view that the general is a 50/50 proposition.

[Calthrina950]

Donald J. Trump with 98% of the vote in MI! 59% in.

Almost all Republicans are awful, exhibit number 247

Isn't that about what Putin got in the last Russian election?

No. Putin received 77% in 2018. What the primaries have shown is that the Never Trumper movement is effectively dead, and is completely irrelevant, at this point.

[Calthrina950]

Donald J. Trump with 98% of the vote in MI! 59% in.

Almost all Republicans are awful, exhibit number 247

Isn't that about what Putin got in the last Russian election?

No. Putin received 77% in 2018. What the primaries have shown is that the Never Trumper movement is effectively dead, and is completely irrelevant, at this point.

The cult succeeded in crushing any dissent within the party, or otherwise forcing out those who disagreed.

I'm aware of that, and have noted it before, including earlier today.

Donald J. Trump with 98% of the vote in MI! 59% in.

Almost all Republicans are awful, exhibit number 247

Isn't that about what Putin got in the last Russian election?

No. Putin received 77% in 2018. What the primaries have shown is that the Never Trumper movement is effectively dead, and is completely irrelevant, at this point.

Nope, its very relevant.  They're just not voting in the Republican Primay anymore.  Its just your wet dream.

What I meant is that the Republican base has rallied behind Trump, including virtually the entire Establishment, contrary to the hopes of Bill Weld and those like him. I'm aware that many of the most ardently anti-Trump Republicans are no longer within the party-again, I noted this earlier today on a different thread, discussing the Alabama runoff:

Stick a fork in Sessions, he's done.

Thank god. I don't want Sessions returning to the Senate.

Tumorville is worse. Probably going to just abstain if he gets the nomination.

Objectively this is just stupid. How Tuberville would vote is far more aligned with you than Doug Jones, and Tuberville is far closer to you than he is to Jones.

I have to agree with you here. I honestly don't know much about Tuberville, aside from him being a former football coach and a Trumpist. Honestly, what Republicans, aside from the utterly irrelevant Never Trumper minority (and Republicans turned independents or Democrats like Bill Kristol and Justin Amash, as well as some of the few remaining moderate Governors like Charlie Baker and Larry Hogan), are not Trump sycophants or at the very least Trump abettors (i.e. Susan Collins, Lamar Alexander) at this point? Sessions himself is sucking up to Trump, as much as he can, so there is little difference on that score. Tuberville and Sessions would both vote in line with Trump and the Republican Establishment >90% of the time, and would both represent a move to the right compared to Doug Jones, who voted, along with all Democratic Senators, to remove Trump from office.

The relevant portion is bolded.

[Calthrina950]

Cmon be polite ya'll

I emphasize this also. Some people on here are quick to jump down your throats, even if you agree with them on something....

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1237563560877649920

I hope it's a sign he'll be suspending his campaign. Given the situation, carrying on with the campaign would be absolutely counterproductive.

This means of course he’ll carry on through June, doing as much as he can to damage the party and front runner before the autumn. His ego cannot accept defeat.

I think you are doing him a disservice.  At least wait to see what he actually does.

I agree. Sanders has said repeatedly that defeating Trump is critical, and has said that he would support the Democratic nominee, regardless of who it is. And he has described Biden as a "friend" numerous times, making it clear that he was not interested in launching personal attacks against him. Given all of this, I think Sanders could very well own up to reality and bow out of the primary.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1237563560877649920

I hope it's a sign he'll be suspending his campaign. Given the situation, carrying on with the campaign would be absolutely counterproductive.

This means of course he’ll carry on through June, doing as much as he can to damage the party and front runner before the autumn. His ego cannot accept defeat.

I think you are doing him a disservice.  At least wait to see what he actually does.

I agree. Sanders has said repeatedly that defeating Trump is critical, and has said that he would support the Democratic nominee, regardless of who it is. And he has described Biden as a "friend" numerous times, making it clear that he was not interested in launching personal attacks against him. Given all of this, I think Sanders could very well own up to reality and bow out of the primary.

Didn’t he say that in 2016, before continuing to challenge Hillary until the convention and attacking her entire campaign?

Perhaps he did, but this is different. And honestly, given what Clinton has been saying about Sanders recently, I can't really fault him for staying in during that campaign. But that's another matter, and all factions of the Party do agree on one thing-that they must unite to defeat Trump.

[Calthrina950]

With 10% in, Sanders is ahead in North Dakota.

Sanders could win North Dakota, but it will be extremely minor consolation for him, given that he has lost his "firewall"-Michigan, and could lose Idaho and Washington, if the final polls prove to be correct.

[Calthrina950]

Bernie needs to bring up Hunter, Burisma and Biden's senility Sunday. Only chance he has.

I don't think he will, he had the entire townhall to bring it up.

And he's not going to, as he has said that he's not going to attack Biden personally, like Trump has (and will). And Sanders is of course older than Biden, so it would be a hypocritical attack.

[Calthrina950]

Bernie needs to bring up Hunter, Burisma and Biden's senility Sunday. Only chance he has.

I don't think he will, he had the entire townhall to bring it up.

And he's not going to, as he has said that he's not going to attack Biden personally, like Trump has (and will). And Sanders is of course older than Biden, so it would be a hypocritical attack.

But... Sanders can complete his sentences lol

He should go all out on him, give Biden some training for Trump later on.

Sanders is definitely mentally sharp-much more so than either Biden or Trump (and he is older than both of them, which makes it even more ironic). However, I don't think he's going to go down that path. As was mentioned on here, he didn't attack Hillary Clinton over her e-mail scandal. Remember his infamous exclamatory remark at the debate that "no one cares about [her] damn e-mails"? That gives you a hint as to what course he will take here.

[Calthrina950]

Bernie needs to bring up Hunter, Burisma and Biden's senility Sunday. Only chance he has.

I don't think he will, he had the entire townhall to bring it up.

And he's not going to, as he has said that he's not going to attack Biden personally, like Trump has (and will). And Sanders is of course older than Biden, so it would be a hypocritical attack.

But... Sanders can complete his sentences lol

He should go all out on him, give Biden some training for Trump later on.

Sanders is definitely mentally sharp-much more so than either Biden or Trump (and he is older than both of them, which makes it even more ironic). However, I don't think he's going to go down that path. As was mentioned on here, he didn't attack Hillary Clinton over her e-mail scandal. Remember his infamous exclamatory remark at the debate that "no one cares about [her] damn e-mails"? That gives you a hint as to what course he will take here.

and he lost the primary at that moment which is why Hillary is creepily laughing cause she knows he blew it.

I don't know if Sanders would have won the nomination had he gone full-on negative against Clinton. There is some legitimacy to your point that a more aggressive campaign might have yielded him better electoral results. But then again, it may not have. Clinton pretty much treated Sanders as little more then an irritating encumbrance during the primary-her focus was always on the general election, and especially in the latter stages of the primary, on Trump. I don't remember her ripping Sanders over being a "democratic socialist", and she was actually forced to move left to counter him.

[Calthrina950]

Close results in Washington on election night is good news for Sanders. Leftist and anti-establishment candidates tend to increase their numbers handsomely in the late count. Not to say this lighting will strike again, but Kshama Sawant overcame I think a double-digit election night loss in her last re-election.

While this is true, the moderate consolidation effect will also provide a huge boon to Biden going forward. Sanders may gain several points, but Biden will gain in leaps and bounds from other candidates.

This is true. Biden has picked up pretty much all of Buttigieg's, Klobuchar's, and Bloomberg's supporters, and a substantial number of Warren's. It's very telling that success for Sanders is now predicated off him barely scraping by in states once considered to be strongholds for him.

[Calthrina950]

Tonight has been very disappointing from an election map perspective.

Why so?

[Calthrina950]

Yeah, Biden wins WA by about 5 unless the results so far are randomly mixed. Not surprised to see some of the gloating and rubbing it in, though I wish some people could see that they’re acting exactly like the “Bernie Bros” that they claim are so terrible. Honestly, might be time for me to take a break from this site, at least until the hate boners for Sanders start to go away.

I'll agree with you that this kind of behavior is unproductive, but it's undeniable that Sanders will not be the Democratic nominee at this point. What is necessary is for Biden to reach out to progressives and Sanders supporters-and a good way of doing that would be for him to choose a progressive as his running mate. However, I will say that it is astounding the extent to which people on here are rallying behind Biden. This bipolar party system which we have is definitely not the most ideal for those of us who would rather we had more choices in a general-not counting third parties that have no chance.

[Calthrina950]

Can we all admit that bill weld, for being a former governor, has performed embarrassingly in some of these races?

He got 11% in his home state he was gov of!  

Not even breaking 3% tonight

Hell, some guy running from a jail cell got double digits against obama in some primaries

As I've said before, the Republican base is locked in for Trump. The Never Trumpers have either been driven out of the party or have (in the case of virtually all Republican politicians in the Establishment) become Trump sycophants. The Democrats need to keep this in mind throughout the general election season-Trump's base is locked in, and to counter him, it will be necessary to generate turnout among left-leaning voters who sat home or defected to third parties last time.

[Calthrina950]

Sanders wins 54% in Latah County, Idaho (University of Idaho).

He won Latah County decisively, but lost in two other college town bastions-Washtenaw and Boone Counties, which he carried against Clinton. So mixed results on that front, but overall, a definite drop in his support from last time.

[Calthrina950]

If Biden can net TWO VOTES in the last eleven precincts in Ingham County he can sweep the state.

A Biden sweep of Michigan's counties would be an absolute humiliation for Sanders, in a state that he was counting on as his "firewall". Say what you will, but the Democratic electorate has made it clear that they don't want him as their nominee. Electability matters to them more than anything else, and understandably so, given Trump.

[Calthrina950]

Yeah, Biden wins WA by about 5 unless the results so far are randomly mixed. Not surprised to see some of the gloating and rubbing it in, though I wish some people could see that they’re acting exactly like the “Bernie Bros” that they claim are so terrible. Honestly, might be time for me to take a break from this site, at least until the hate boners for Sanders start to go away.

Did you hear Biden's speech tonight.
He wants and needs you and the other Bernie supporters to defeat trump come November.
He is being inclusive to all/everyone.

I haven’t watched his speech, but I’ve never accused Biden of being divisive. And yes, I’ve said many times before that I’ll vote for Biden in November, but going forward, I’m not sure I belong in a party with many voters openly hostile to Sanders and all of his supporters (yes, some just go after the Twitter crowd, but many are perfectly fine generalizing) and not even recognizing that the negativity coming from them is hurting the party.

As I've said, we would be better served by a multiparty system.

[Calthrina950]

As a map nerd, the possibility of an all blue Michigan county map is pissing me off. Gimme at least a bit of green.

The oddly uniform results within states are something I've been noticing about this cycle. It started with the two New Hampshire Congressional districts voting almost identically and it's continued on in quite a few states from there.

I also suspect that once people start breaking things down by precinct or town it will get interesting. The results from both MO and MI suggest that even as Sanders gets swept, he's going to have some very loyal pockets in the various university cities and certain Wayne towns like Hamtramck - they just got outvoted by everything around them.

Not surprising, as these are places dominated by college students and Muslim voters-among his most loyal constituencies. But still, that he lost Washtenaw and Boone is absolutely devastating for the credibility of his campaign.

[Calthrina950]

BREAKING: Tulsi moves into 6th place in Idaho

Idaho and Washington are tied for her best state tonight, at 0.8% of the vote.

Tulsi Gabbard's campaign is an absolute joke at this point.

[Calthrina950]

BREAKING: Tulsi moves into 6th place in Idaho

Idaho and Washington are tied for her best state tonight, at 0.8% of the vote.

Tulsi Gabbard's campaign is an absolute joke at this point.

"At this point"? AT THIS POINT??

In the sense that she is drawing an utterly negligible share of the vote, and all other candidates have dropped. I'm expecting her to continue until the convention.