MAGA-teens harass Native American

[Calthrina950]

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

[Calthrina950]

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

[Calthrina950]

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

For once, Catherina right. The better and more exact analysis would be if you STILL support without at least SUBSTANTIAL RESERVATIONS, there is a 99% chance you have no room in the current Democratic Party.

Wrong on this score, as well. There are many former Democratic voters who still strongly support Trump because they feel disillusioned with the national Democratic Party on many different issues, and are at a complete disconnect with the Party.

[Calthrina950]

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

For once, Catherina right. The better and more exact analysis would be if you STILL support without at least SUBSTANTIAL RESERVATIONS, there is a 99% chance you have no room in the current Democratic Party.

Wrong on this score, as well. There are many former Democratic voters who still strongly support Trump because they feel disillusioned with the national Democratic Party on many different issues, and are at a complete disconnect with the Party.

"many former Democratic voters who still strongly support trump." "Many?"
LOL.
How delusional can you possible be?

Perhaps if you bothered to look at the facts rather than throw out ad hominem attacks, I would hold you in higher regard. Places like Western Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Ohio, Michigan, Downstate Illinois, etc. have trended heavily Republican over the past two decades. Trump got more than 60% or 70% of the vote in many counties (i.e. McDowell County, West Virginia; Washington County, Pennsylvania) that Bill Clinton won as recently as 1996, and where John Kerry, as recently as 2004, was still getting decent numbers. West Virginia's Republican trend has been fueled, in part, by the defection of many voters from their prior Democratic allegiances. Yes, some of it is generational turnover, but there are still many alive who voted for Clinton, or Gore, or Kerry, or Obama, who are now Republican down the line.

[Calthrina950]

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

For once, Catherina right. The better and more exact analysis would be if you STILL support without at least SUBSTANTIAL RESERVATIONS, there is a 99% chance you have no room in the current Democratic Party.

Wrong on this score, as well. There are many former Democratic voters who still strongly support Trump because they feel disillusioned with the national Democratic Party on many different issues, and are at a complete disconnect with the Party.

If by " many former Democratic voters" you mean septuagenarians who haven't voted for a Democrat for president since before Bill Clinton, and whom remain " economically anxious" over the proliferation of immigrants out in public where everyone can see them, then yes, your otherwise spittle dribble of a post is at least, in the most generously imaginable form of the phrase, partially correct.

Of course the post would be a lot more convincing even for that scintilla of a percent nominally correct portion if it wasn't promoted by a chronic right-wing hack who virtue signals " both sides do it" like a repeating Loop sample.

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

[Calthrina950]

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1. Population isn't static. Lots of ancestral Democrats have died over the last 10 years and been replaced by younger voters who believe the same things but don't have lifelong ties to the Democratic Party.

2. Trump got a lot of people to vote for him because they liked what he was saying. It's not like he's just a normal Republican and migration from Obama to him was due to disgust with Hillary or whatever - the Obama/Trump voters switched to him because of him. If Republicans go back to a Romney/McCain esque candidate in 2024, those voters may come back. Or maybe they've mentally switched over to being Republican and never will. But the idea that Democrats could have won or been super competitive in states like WV in 2016 against Trump just wasn't going to happen, no matter what developed in during the Obama years.

You seem to be buying into the narrative that West Virginia just all of a sudden flipped to the Democrats, when the evidence shows that such is not the case. Yes, there was generational turnover, but certainly not enough turnover to transform the state's entire electorate in just twenty years. There are literally hundreds of thousands of voters still alive throughout the South, and elsewhere, who were once Democratic voters, that have now gravitated towards the Republican Party. Just as there are suburban and urban voters, who once voted Republican, that have now gone Democratic.

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

For once, Catherina right. The better and more exact analysis would be if you STILL support without at least SUBSTANTIAL RESERVATIONS, there is a 99% chance you have no room in the current Democratic Party.

Wrong on this score, as well. There are many former Democratic voters who still strongly support Trump because they feel disillusioned with the national Democratic Party on many different issues, and are at a complete disconnect with the Party.

If by " many former Democratic voters" you mean septuagenarians who haven't voted for a Democrat for president since before Bill Clinton, and whom remain " economically anxious" over the proliferation of immigrants out in public where everyone can see them, then yes, your otherwise spittle dribble of a post is at least, in the most generously imaginable form of the phrase, partially correct.

Of course the post would be a lot more convincing even for that scintilla of a percent nominally correct portion if it wasn't promoted by a chronic right-wing hack who virtue signals " both sides do it" like a repeating Loop sample.

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1, please see my post above where I went into detail about your reply. Feel free to peruse it, but the summary is that anyone that expects the Democrats to try to win back votes in places like Western PA or, LOL, Eastern Kentucky by becoming anti-gay rights or climate change denialists is asking the Democratic party to adopt a morally AND ELECTORALLY foolish path.

2. BTW, regarding your second point about being a liberal and an Obama supporter who "pretends" to be a republican, I think I've explained this in thorough detail enough honest many threads that you were simply being intellectually dishonest in your claim that I'm not "actually" a Republican. The simple 2 + 2 equals 4 fact, not opinion, about the matter is I am yes, both a liberal and an Obama supporter, and also a registered Republican. It's this whole country over party thing that any so-called self-professed moderate like yourself should really look into.

You just admitted it! You are a liberal Obama supporter. Being a "registered Republican" doesn't make any difference on that score. There are many "registered Democrats" who are conservative Trump supporters, and vote Republican down the line (i.e. "DINOs" in Oklahoma, West Virginia, Kentucky). You are no different from them.

[Calthrina950]

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1. Population isn't static. Lots of ancestral Democrats have died over the last 10 years and been replaced by younger voters who believe the same things but don't have lifelong ties to the Democratic Party.

2. Trump got a lot of people to vote for him because they liked what he was saying. It's not like he's just a normal Republican and migration from Obama to him was due to disgust with Hillary or whatever - the Obama/Trump voters switched to him because of him. If Republicans go back to a Romney/McCain esque candidate in 2024, those voters may come back. Or maybe they've mentally switched over to being Republican and never will. But the idea that Democrats could have won or been super competitive in states like WV in 2016 against Trump just wasn't going to happen, no matter what developed in during the Obama years.

You seem to be buying into the narrative that West Virginia just all of a sudden flipped to the Democrats, when the evidence shows that such is not the case. Yes, there was generational turnover, but certainly not enough turnover to transform the state's entire electorate in just twenty years. There are literally hundreds of thousands of voters still alive throughout the South, and elsewhere, who were once Democratic voters, that have now gravitated towards the Republican Party. Just as there are suburban and urban voters, who once voted Republican, that have now gone Democratic.

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

For once, Catherina right. The better and more exact analysis would be if you STILL support without at least SUBSTANTIAL RESERVATIONS, there is a 99% chance you have no room in the current Democratic Party.

Wrong on this score, as well. There are many former Democratic voters who still strongly support Trump because they feel disillusioned with the national Democratic Party on many different issues, and are at a complete disconnect with the Party.

If by " many former Democratic voters" you mean septuagenarians who haven't voted for a Democrat for president since before Bill Clinton, and whom remain " economically anxious" over the proliferation of immigrants out in public where everyone can see them, then yes, your otherwise spittle dribble of a post is at least, in the most generously imaginable form of the phrase, partially correct.

Of course the post would be a lot more convincing even for that scintilla of a percent nominally correct portion if it wasn't promoted by a chronic right-wing hack who virtue signals " both sides do it" like a repeating Loop sample.

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1, please see my post above where I went into detail about your reply. Feel free to peruse it, but the summary is that anyone that expects the Democrats to try to win back votes in places like Western PA or, LOL, Eastern Kentucky by becoming anti-gay rights or climate change denialists is asking the Democratic party to adopt a morally AND ELECTORALLY foolish path.

2. BTW, regarding your second point about being a liberal and an Obama supporter who "pretends" to be a republican, I think I've explained this in thorough detail enough honest many threads that you were simply being intellectually dishonest in your claim that I'm not "actually" a Republican. The simple 2 + 2 equals 4 fact, not opinion, about the matter is I am yes, both a liberal and an Obama supporter, and also a registered Republican. It's this whole country over party thing that any so-called self-professed moderate like yourself should really look into.

You just admitted it! You are a liberal Obama supporter. Being a "registered Republican" doesn't make any difference on that score. There are many "registered Democrats" who are conservative Trump supporters, and vote Republican down the line (i.e. "DINOs" in Oklahoma, West Virginia, Kentucky). You are no different from them.

1. Your "point", such as it is, proves nothing. West Virginia flipped on Mass to the Democratic party when the issue of coal miner rights and unionization became more important in the New Deal van their Civil War Union roots from 70 years earlier. Not a big brain teaser there. Likewise, they flip Justice solidly Republican in the last 15 to 20 years when the Democrats opposition to Colby a major contributor 2 global warming, and they're trying to preserve what mining jobs they had left, became more important than there 70 year old tradition of Union activism. Again, unless you were somehow trying to argue that the Democrats wisest Choice, morally or politically, is to become climate change the nihilists like the Republicans, there's nothing unusual about this. Good for Joe manchin for being able to straddle both and keep his senate seat democratic. Beyond that, you're really not making any particularly Illuminating Point here.

2. Yes, I've made basically this same post many many times in the last several months. I don't know what kind of effing gotcha moment this is, genius, but I gladly stand by. Iirc close to 10% of Republicans voted for Obama in 2008, and a somewhat smaller percentage in 2012. Yes, I am in the very distinct minority of Republicans, I'm very sorry to say, who actually backed Trump despite his being manifestly unqualified and arguably treasonous on every conceivable level, including as a human being, but again, maybe you ought to look into this whole country over party thing. I did, I embrace it happily, and again, you aren't "proving" anything in your repetitive screeds.

And fwiw, I am as much of a republican as you are a "moderate" seven days a week and twice on Sundays.

You need to change your avatar. Become like Joe Scarborough-who is now an independent. And yes, I am aware of why West Virginia trended towards the Republicans in the first place. Which is exactly my point! Voters who were once Democratic became alienated by the national Party, due to it's social and environmental policies, and moved accordingly towards the Republicans. Race, of course, pushed many of them even further, under Obama.

[Calthrina950]

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1. Population isn't static. Lots of ancestral Democrats have died over the last 10 years and been replaced by younger voters who believe the same things but don't have lifelong ties to the Democratic Party.

2. Trump got a lot of people to vote for him because they liked what he was saying. It's not like he's just a normal Republican and migration from Obama to him was due to disgust with Hillary or whatever - the Obama/Trump voters switched to him because of him. If Republicans go back to a Romney/McCain esque candidate in 2024, those voters may come back. Or maybe they've mentally switched over to being Republican and never will. But the idea that Democrats could have won or been super competitive in states like WV in 2016 against Trump just wasn't going to happen, no matter what developed in during the Obama years.

You seem to be buying into the narrative that West Virginia just all of a sudden flipped to the Democrats, when the evidence shows that such is not the case. Yes, there was generational turnover, but certainly not enough turnover to transform the state's entire electorate in just twenty years. There are literally hundreds of thousands of voters still alive throughout the South, and elsewhere, who were once Democratic voters, that have now gravitated towards the Republican Party. Just as there are suburban and urban voters, who once voted Republican, that have now gone Democratic.

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

For once, Catherina right. The better and more exact analysis would be if you STILL support without at least SUBSTANTIAL RESERVATIONS, there is a 99% chance you have no room in the current Democratic Party.

Wrong on this score, as well. There are many former Democratic voters who still strongly support Trump because they feel disillusioned with the national Democratic Party on many different issues, and are at a complete disconnect with the Party.

If by " many former Democratic voters" you mean septuagenarians who haven't voted for a Democrat for president since before Bill Clinton, and whom remain " economically anxious" over the proliferation of immigrants out in public where everyone can see them, then yes, your otherwise spittle dribble of a post is at least, in the most generously imaginable form of the phrase, partially correct.

Of course the post would be a lot more convincing even for that scintilla of a percent nominally correct portion if it wasn't promoted by a chronic right-wing hack who virtue signals " both sides do it" like a repeating Loop sample.

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1, please see my post above where I went into detail about your reply. Feel free to peruse it, but the summary is that anyone that expects the Democrats to try to win back votes in places like Western PA or, LOL, Eastern Kentucky by becoming anti-gay rights or climate change denialists is asking the Democratic party to adopt a morally AND ELECTORALLY foolish path.

2. BTW, regarding your second point about being a liberal and an Obama supporter who "pretends" to be a republican, I think I've explained this in thorough detail enough honest many threads that you were simply being intellectually dishonest in your claim that I'm not "actually" a Republican. The simple 2 + 2 equals 4 fact, not opinion, about the matter is I am yes, both a liberal and an Obama supporter, and also a registered Republican. It's this whole country over party thing that any so-called self-professed moderate like yourself should really look into.

You just admitted it! You are a liberal Obama supporter. Being a "registered Republican" doesn't make any difference on that score. There are many "registered Democrats" who are conservative Trump supporters, and vote Republican down the line (i.e. "DINOs" in Oklahoma, West Virginia, Kentucky). You are no different from them.

1. Your "point", such as it is, proves nothing. West Virginia flipped on Mass to the Democratic party when the issue of coal miner rights and unionization became more important in the New Deal van their Civil War Union roots from 70 years earlier. Not a big brain teaser there. Likewise, they flip Justice solidly Republican in the last 15 to 20 years when the Democrats opposition to Colby a major contributor 2 global warming, and they're trying to preserve what mining jobs they had left, became more important than there 70 year old tradition of Union activism. Again, unless you were somehow trying to argue that the Democrats wisest Choice, morally or politically, is to become climate change the nihilists like the Republicans, there's nothing unusual about this. Good for Joe manchin for being able to straddle both and keep his senate seat democratic. Beyond that, you're really not making any particularly Illuminating Point here.

2. Yes, I've made basically this same post many many times in the last several months. I don't know what kind of effing gotcha moment this is, genius, but I gladly stand by. Iirc close to 10% of Republicans voted for Obama in 2008, and a somewhat smaller percentage in 2012. Yes, I am in the very distinct minority of Republicans, I'm very sorry to say, who actually backed Trump despite his being manifestly unqualified and arguably treasonous on every conceivable level, including as a human being, but again, maybe you ought to look into this whole country over party thing. I did, I embrace it happily, and again, you aren't "proving" anything in your repetitive screeds.

And fwiw, I am as much of a republican as you are a "moderate" seven days a week and twice on Sundays.

You need to change your avatar. Become like Joe Scarborough-who is now an independent. And yes, I am aware of why West Virginia trended towards the Republicans in the first place. Which is exactly my point! Voters who were once Democratic became alienated by the national Party, due to it's social and environmental policies, and moved accordingly towards the Republicans. Race, of course, pushed many of them even further, under Obama.

I don't "need" to change anything, nitwit. I am a registered Republican and a card-carrying member of my County's Republican Central Committee. The fact that I supported Obama and passionately opposed Trump only speaks to my having discernment and being willing to put country over party. Yes, it's disappointing that the vast majority of Republicans are willing to delude themselves and / or willfully tolerate over treason and racism in the name of party Unity, but I will gladly Embrace myself as that sliver minority of the party. And some so independent right-wing hack telling me what I can or can't do really matters Jack schitt to me, nor should it otherwise.

But I'll tell you what. While I've repeatedly publicly posted that I plan to change my avatar when I almost surely vote in a Democratic Primary in 2020 and thereby officially forgo my Republican registration, I'll be glad to do it earlier, in the complete sake of accuracy, you adopt a National Socialist Party of America Avatar.

You're still convinced that you are a Republican. Perhaps what fhtagn has said about you is truly relevant. At any rate, this is going nowhere. I call people out as I see them, and I've called you out for what you are. Given how you've treated me and others on here, it's only fair that I do so.

[Calthrina950]

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1. Population isn't static. Lots of ancestral Democrats have died over the last 10 years and been replaced by younger voters who believe the same things but don't have lifelong ties to the Democratic Party.

2. Trump got a lot of people to vote for him because they liked what he was saying. It's not like he's just a normal Republican and migration from Obama to him was due to disgust with Hillary or whatever - the Obama/Trump voters switched to him because of him. If Republicans go back to a Romney/McCain esque candidate in 2024, those voters may come back. Or maybe they've mentally switched over to being Republican and never will. But the idea that Democrats could have won or been super competitive in states like WV in 2016 against Trump just wasn't going to happen, no matter what developed in during the Obama years.

You seem to be buying into the narrative that West Virginia just all of a sudden flipped to the Democrats, when the evidence shows that such is not the case. Yes, there was generational turnover, but certainly not enough turnover to transform the state's entire electorate in just twenty years. There are literally hundreds of thousands of voters still alive throughout the South, and elsewhere, who were once Democratic voters, that have now gravitated towards the Republican Party. Just as there are suburban and urban voters, who once voted Republican, that have now gone Democratic.

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

For once, Catherina right. The better and more exact analysis would be if you STILL support without at least SUBSTANTIAL RESERVATIONS, there is a 99% chance you have no room in the current Democratic Party.

Wrong on this score, as well. There are many former Democratic voters who still strongly support Trump because they feel disillusioned with the national Democratic Party on many different issues, and are at a complete disconnect with the Party.

If by " many former Democratic voters" you mean septuagenarians who haven't voted for a Democrat for president since before Bill Clinton, and whom remain " economically anxious" over the proliferation of immigrants out in public where everyone can see them, then yes, your otherwise spittle dribble of a post is at least, in the most generously imaginable form of the phrase, partially correct.

Of course the post would be a lot more convincing even for that scintilla of a percent nominally correct portion if it wasn't promoted by a chronic right-wing hack who virtue signals " both sides do it" like a repeating Loop sample.

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1, please see my post above where I went into detail about your reply. Feel free to peruse it, but the summary is that anyone that expects the Democrats to try to win back votes in places like Western PA or, LOL, Eastern Kentucky by becoming anti-gay rights or climate change denialists is asking the Democratic party to adopt a morally AND ELECTORALLY foolish path.

2. BTW, regarding your second point about being a liberal and an Obama supporter who "pretends" to be a republican, I think I've explained this in thorough detail enough honest many threads that you were simply being intellectually dishonest in your claim that I'm not "actually" a Republican. The simple 2 + 2 equals 4 fact, not opinion, about the matter is I am yes, both a liberal and an Obama supporter, and also a registered Republican. It's this whole country over party thing that any so-called self-professed moderate like yourself should really look into.

You just admitted it! You are a liberal Obama supporter. Being a "registered Republican" doesn't make any difference on that score. There are many "registered Democrats" who are conservative Trump supporters, and vote Republican down the line (i.e. "DINOs" in Oklahoma, West Virginia, Kentucky). You are no different from them.

1. Your "point", such as it is, proves nothing. West Virginia flipped on Mass to the Democratic party when the issue of coal miner rights and unionization became more important in the New Deal van their Civil War Union roots from 70 years earlier. Not a big brain teaser there. Likewise, they flip Justice solidly Republican in the last 15 to 20 years when the Democrats opposition to Colby a major contributor 2 global warming, and they're trying to preserve what mining jobs they had left, became more important than there 70 year old tradition of Union activism. Again, unless you were somehow trying to argue that the Democrats wisest Choice, morally or politically, is to become climate change the nihilists like the Republicans, there's nothing unusual about this. Good for Joe manchin for being able to straddle both and keep his senate seat democratic. Beyond that, you're really not making any particularly Illuminating Point here.

2. Yes, I've made basically this same post many many times in the last several months. I don't know what kind of effing gotcha moment this is, genius, but I gladly stand by. Iirc close to 10% of Republicans voted for Obama in 2008, and a somewhat smaller percentage in 2012. Yes, I am in the very distinct minority of Republicans, I'm very sorry to say, who actually backed Trump despite his being manifestly unqualified and arguably treasonous on every conceivable level, including as a human being, but again, maybe you ought to look into this whole country over party thing. I did, I embrace it happily, and again, you aren't "proving" anything in your repetitive screeds.

And fwiw, I am as much of a republican as you are a "moderate" seven days a week and twice on Sundays.

You need to change your avatar. Become like Joe Scarborough-who is now an independent. And yes, I am aware of why West Virginia trended towards the Republicans in the first place. Which is exactly my point! Voters who were once Democratic became alienated by the national Party, due to it's social and environmental policies, and moved accordingly towards the Republicans. Race, of course, pushed many of them even further, under Obama.

I don't "need" to change anything, nitwit. I am a registered Republican and a card-carrying member of my County's Republican Central Committee. The fact that I supported Obama and passionately opposed Trump only speaks to my having discernment and being willing to put country over party. Yes, it's disappointing that the vast majority of Republicans are willing to delude themselves and / or willfully tolerate over treason and racism in the name of party Unity, but I will gladly Embrace myself as that sliver minority of the party. And some so independent right-wing hack telling me what I can or can't do really matters Jack schitt to me, nor should it otherwise.

But I'll tell you what. While I've repeatedly publicly posted that I plan to change my avatar when I almost surely vote in a Democratic Primary in 2020 and thereby officially forgo my Republican registration, I'll be glad to do it earlier, in the complete sake of accuracy, you adopt a National Socialist Party of America Avatar.

You're still convinced that you are a Republican. Perhaps what fhtagn has said about you is truly relevant. At any rate, this is going nowhere. I call people out as I see them, and I've called you out for what you are. Given how you've treated me and others on here, it's only fair that I do so.

LOL.
It seems the ***** just revealed his "secret informer" to be fhtagn.
Like two peas (or Deplorables) in a pod. They all deserve each other.

As for you, ProudModerate2, change your avatar to a red or burgundy one. As many others have said, you are no independent.

[Calthrina950]

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1. Population isn't static. Lots of ancestral Democrats have died over the last 10 years and been replaced by younger voters who believe the same things but don't have lifelong ties to the Democratic Party.

2. Trump got a lot of people to vote for him because they liked what he was saying. It's not like he's just a normal Republican and migration from Obama to him was due to disgust with Hillary or whatever - the Obama/Trump voters switched to him because of him. If Republicans go back to a Romney/McCain esque candidate in 2024, those voters may come back. Or maybe they've mentally switched over to being Republican and never will. But the idea that Democrats could have won or been super competitive in states like WV in 2016 against Trump just wasn't going to happen, no matter what developed in during the Obama years.

You seem to be buying into the narrative that West Virginia just all of a sudden flipped to the Democrats, when the evidence shows that such is not the case. Yes, there was generational turnover, but certainly not enough turnover to transform the state's entire electorate in just twenty years. There are literally hundreds of thousands of voters still alive throughout the South, and elsewhere, who were once Democratic voters, that have now gravitated towards the Republican Party. Just as there are suburban and urban voters, who once voted Republican, that have now gone Democratic.

This thread degenerated in exactly the way that Atlas threads tend to degenerate. Some news story is posted, more often than not a negative piece on Republicans or Trump supporters (given the ideological bias of many on this forum), the right-leaning side tries to defend it, and the left-leaning side savages them, calling them "bigots" and "hateful" and other such names. And it all turns out to become a pointless argument that will leave nothing resolved, only inflames tensions, and sets the groundwork for the next argument. I guess this is what you get when you have a bunch of testosterone-fueled males (for this is a male-dominated forum), who are determined to prove that they are the "better man", and to run over their opponents.

And it's something that once again, the left-leaning posters on here are confusing Fuzzy Bear with being a Republican. When he has made clear, many times, that he doesn't align with that Party on many issues, and when he has told us about his Democratic past. For these posters, you must grovel at the altar of liberalism down the line, lest you be called out and denounced as evil.

Fuzzy is an "independent" the same way every deranged Obama-hating fanatic in 2010 was independent because they thought the GOP wasn't insane enough for their liking.

We live in a two-party system and you are, for all intents and purposes, "part of" the party whose candidates you vote for the majority of the time. If you voted for Trump, you are a Republican. If you voted for Trump, you certainly have no place in the Democratic Party.

Wow! You can kiss the Obama-Trump voters goodbye with this. If the Democratic Party as a whole pursues this strategy in 2020, it might make it possible for Trump to win the Electoral College again. And it would only worsen political polarization. Fuzzy Bear, moreover, voted for Nelson and Gillum last year, and he's an "Obama-Trump voter", who is not definitive on voting for Trump in 2020. You and other left-leaning Atlas posters might just push him down that path with the way you treat him.

For once, Catherina right. The better and more exact analysis would be if you STILL support without at least SUBSTANTIAL RESERVATIONS, there is a 99% chance you have no room in the current Democratic Party.

Wrong on this score, as well. There are many former Democratic voters who still strongly support Trump because they feel disillusioned with the national Democratic Party on many different issues, and are at a complete disconnect with the Party.

If by " many former Democratic voters" you mean septuagenarians who haven't voted for a Democrat for president since before Bill Clinton, and whom remain " economically anxious" over the proliferation of immigrants out in public where everyone can see them, then yes, your otherwise spittle dribble of a post is at least, in the most generously imaginable form of the phrase, partially correct.

Of course the post would be a lot more convincing even for that scintilla of a percent nominally correct portion if it wasn't promoted by a chronic right-wing hack who virtue signals " both sides do it" like a repeating Loop sample.

Did you not see my most recent post? There was still residual support for Democrats such as Gore, Kerry, and Obama that has now gone to the Republicans. Obama got over 40% in West Virginia as late as 2008. Given how things are now, I doubt a Democrat will get much above 30% there for the next few decades, at least. And it is something for you to call me a "chronic right-wing hack", given that you're a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter who claims to be a Republican.

1, please see my post above where I went into detail about your reply. Feel free to peruse it, but the summary is that anyone that expects the Democrats to try to win back votes in places like Western PA or, LOL, Eastern Kentucky by becoming anti-gay rights or climate change denialists is asking the Democratic party to adopt a morally AND ELECTORALLY foolish path.

2. BTW, regarding your second point about being a liberal and an Obama supporter who "pretends" to be a republican, I think I've explained this in thorough detail enough honest many threads that you were simply being intellectually dishonest in your claim that I'm not "actually" a Republican. The simple 2 + 2 equals 4 fact, not opinion, about the matter is I am yes, both a liberal and an Obama supporter, and also a registered Republican. It's this whole country over party thing that any so-called self-professed moderate like yourself should really look into.

You just admitted it! You are a liberal Obama supporter. Being a "registered Republican" doesn't make any difference on that score. There are many "registered Democrats" who are conservative Trump supporters, and vote Republican down the line (i.e. "DINOs" in Oklahoma, West Virginia, Kentucky). You are no different from them.

1. Your "point", such as it is, proves nothing. West Virginia flipped on Mass to the Democratic party when the issue of coal miner rights and unionization became more important in the New Deal van their Civil War Union roots from 70 years earlier. Not a big brain teaser there. Likewise, they flip Justice solidly Republican in the last 15 to 20 years when the Democrats opposition to Colby a major contributor 2 global warming, and they're trying to preserve what mining jobs they had left, became more important than there 70 year old tradition of Union activism. Again, unless you were somehow trying to argue that the Democrats wisest Choice, morally or politically, is to become climate change the nihilists like the Republicans, there's nothing unusual about this. Good for Joe manchin for being able to straddle both and keep his senate seat democratic. Beyond that, you're really not making any particularly Illuminating Point here.

2. Yes, I've made basically this same post many many times in the last several months. I don't know what kind of effing gotcha moment this is, genius, but I gladly stand by. Iirc close to 10% of Republicans voted for Obama in 2008, and a somewhat smaller percentage in 2012. Yes, I am in the very distinct minority of Republicans, I'm very sorry to say, who actually backed Trump despite his being manifestly unqualified and arguably treasonous on every conceivable level, including as a human being, but again, maybe you ought to look into this whole country over party thing. I did, I embrace it happily, and again, you aren't "proving" anything in your repetitive screeds.

And fwiw, I am as much of a republican as you are a "moderate" seven days a week and twice on Sundays.

You need to change your avatar. Become like Joe Scarborough-who is now an independent. And yes, I am aware of why West Virginia trended towards the Republicans in the first place. Which is exactly my point! Voters who were once Democratic became alienated by the national Party, due to it's social and environmental policies, and moved accordingly towards the Republicans. Race, of course, pushed many of them even further, under Obama.

I don't "need" to change anything, nitwit. I am a registered Republican and a card-carrying member of my County's Republican Central Committee. The fact that I supported Obama and passionately opposed Trump only speaks to my having discernment and being willing to put country over party. Yes, it's disappointing that the vast majority of Republicans are willing to delude themselves and / or willfully tolerate over treason and racism in the name of party Unity, but I will gladly Embrace myself as that sliver minority of the party. And some so independent right-wing hack telling me what I can or can't do really matters Jack schitt to me, nor should it otherwise.

But I'll tell you what. While I've repeatedly publicly posted that I plan to change my avatar when I almost surely vote in a Democratic Primary in 2020 and thereby officially forgo my Republican registration, I'll be glad to do it earlier, in the complete sake of accuracy, you adopt a National Socialist Party of America Avatar.

You're still convinced that you are a Republican. Perhaps what fhtagn has said about you is truly relevant. At any rate, this is going nowhere. I call people out as I see them, and I've called you out for what you are. Given how you've treated me and others on here, it's only fair that I do so.

LOL.
It seems the ***** just revealed his "secret informer" to be fhtagn.
Like two peas (or Deplorables) in a pod. They all deserve each other.

As for you, ProudModerate2, change your avatar to a red or burgundy one. As many others have said, you are no independent.

You are the worst poster on Atlas.
All you do is repeat the same thing over and over again.
Almost every post starts off by some leading phrase like "by the looks of the Democratic responses in this thread ..." or "From reading all the liberal posts so far ..."
You're like a parrot. Sign-off of Atlas and go eat crackers on something.
I have never seen such a obsession about "avatar colors" from anyone. People change their color for various reasons. Many times people change it to mock the other side, or for any silly reason.
It means nothing on Atlas.

This title belongs to you. All you do is post snarky little insults against other people, all while claiming to be a moderate. That is deceptive, and it is wrong.

[Calthrina950]

I don't know what to make of this story. Obviously, racism and prejudice of all kinds should be rejected, regardless of who it comes from. And I am very well aware of this country's history as regards to Native Americans, and how they were treated. But at the same time, the double standards being displayed by so many posters on here are aggravating.

[Calthrina950]

This thread and the incident that inspired it has everything.  Teenage Brett Kavanaughs on a field trip.  The Crying Indian from those anti-littering ads.  Angry militant "black Israelis" *.  The Lincoln Memorial.  Ten pages of Zapruder film analysis.  Lamestream media bias.  DOuBlE sTaNdArDs!!  White people in blackface being okay because GO SPORTS!!  A teenager's press release clearly written by Daddy's lawyer.  What are the school's colors?!?  Pro-life rallies.  Anti-Trump rallies.

I can't wait to see what the next thirteen pages has in store.


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My exclusive Message to America: go home, you're drunk.

Really?

[Calthrina950]

It is amazing how the whole controversy over the Native American and those Catholic school boys from Covington has displayed, in itself, the extent to which we are polarized. The Democratic base believes the kids are racist idiots who provoked the incident, while the Republican base believes the Native American is a fraudster who provoked the kids.

[Calthrina950]

Lol yeah, these boys were totally dancing and singing "respectfully" with the elder. It's so sad that people immediately give them the benefit of the doubt because they're young white boys.

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768

I assume you believe Mr. Philips then? What about the Black Hebrew Israelites? They were saying very nasty and profane things, and that was before Philips approached the group. Do you think these boys were responsible for provoking this entire incident?

[Calthrina950]

Lol yeah, these boys were totally dancing and singing "respectfully" with the elder. It's so sad that people immediately give them the benefit of the doubt because they're young white boys.

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768

I assume you believe Mr. Philips then? What about the Black Hebrew Israelites? They were saying very nasty and profane things, and that was before Philips approached the group. Do you think these boys were responsible for provoking this entire incident?

Phillips has no association with the Black Hebrew Israelites. The kids were at the Indigenous March, which is 1.5 miles away from the March for "Life" route.

I know that Philips was not associated with the Black Hebrew Israelites. But do you deny that they said things which should not have been said? Do you think they were right in what they did? I don't think these kids should be held up as "saints", but they weren't the instigators of what happened, at least not from what I've seen and read.

[Calthrina950]

Lol yeah, these boys were totally dancing and singing "respectfully" with the elder. It's so sad that people immediately give them the benefit of the doubt because they're young white boys.

https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768

I assume you believe Mr. Philips then? What about the Black Hebrew Israelites? They were saying very nasty and profane things, and that was before Philips approached the group. Do you think these boys were responsible for provoking this entire incident?

Phillips has no association with the Black Hebrew Israelites. The kids were at the Indigenous March, which is 1.5 miles away from the March for "Life" route.

wow... you're hopeless.

Really? You must be convinced that the Native American gentleman was completely in the right, and these kids in the wrong. Even though the initial media reports of this incident weren't completely accurate...

[Calthrina950]

Of course Calthrine will somehow find a way to defend a bunch of entitled racist jerks. If he admits that they did something wrong then his entire faux-moderate shtick crumbles.   

I'm not trying to hold up these kids as "paragons of moral virtue". I'm trying to correct some of the false stories that have been circulated on here. It's important to have a broader understanding of these situations before we jump to conclusions. It's a lesson that I've had to take into consideration after all of the incidents, shootings, etc. which have taken place in recent years. But as I know, you are someone who wouldn't understand that.

[Calthrina950]

This issue really does serve as an example of how polarized this country is.

[Calthrina950]

This issue really does serve as an example of how polarized this country is.

Yes. Polarized between conservatives who tolerate, minimize, and even defend overtly racist Behavior as normal, and the rest of us who are justifiably horrified. Polarized indeed.

You really need to change your avatar. And as I've stated before, I'm not defending these boys. I'm merely saying that people on here continue to buy into a false narrative.

[Calthrina950]

This issue really does serve as an example of how polarized this country is.

Yes. Polarized between conservatives who tolerate, minimize, and even defend overtly racist Behavior as normal, and the rest of us who are justifiably horrified. Polarized indeed.

You really need to change your avatar. And as I've stated before, I'm not defending these boys. I'm merely saying that people on here continue to buy into a false narrative.

Nope. Don't need to do anything. And the fact that you associate tolerance of overt racist actions as synonymous with the Republican party speaks volumes.

the only thing that really needs to happen here for you to have a giant glass of STFU juice

Control your acid tongue. This is something that continues to distress me about people on here-an unwillingness to engage. As for this incident, I do not condone what any of the parties here were doing-the actions of Mr. Philips, of those schoolboys, or of the Black Hebrew Israelites. All sides behaved in ways that were not the best, and it is a miracle that the situation did not degenerate farther than it did. It has also been shown that early media reports of this incident were distorted. Unfortunately, people here continue to deny that, and continue to downplay the roles played by Philips and BHI.

[Calthrina950]

They weren’t black muslims...they were black israelites which is a toxic hate movement.  They shouod be condemned wherever they go.  I can guarantee they were spewing racist and very homophobic slurs at the kids, because that’s basically all they do.

Then the Natives march right in between them trying to diffuse the situation.  The kids were being disrespectful to the Natives but the entire situation was already toxic before they even got there.

The Native Americans are the only group of the three that I sympathize with here.  But this whole episode is a perfect example of our utterly broken race relations.

Just gonna re-post this because the truth is coming together.  The amount of prejudice and kneejerk reactions and outrage spewed in this thread is, as another poster put it, staggering.  At the end of this it comes down to anblack hate group taunting kids who try to drown out their hateful slurs with school spirit chants.  Then the Native Americans come between them to diffuse things.  The students dance to the drum, disrespectfully.  The whole while the black hate group shouts hateful things at the students and Native Americans.  The students boo them and call them racist and then leave.

No ‘build the wall’, no ‘trump 2020’...none of it.

You were dooped (i was as well) by a prejudiced narrative because people assume if a white kid from the “rurals” wearing a Maga hat comes to the city, it’s to cause controversy.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/maga-hat-teens-native-american-second-video/index.html

They're from the suburbs of Cincinnati. Not "the rurals."

My post was pointing out prejudices.  To the big city livin no bra wearin hairy legged womens libbers types, the suburban parts of a city they’ve never heard of is “the rurals” ...and my term for city dwellers borrowed from a cult classic movie also shows prejudice and ignorance.  Thats the issue with this entire discussion.  Everybody has very glaringly inserted their prejudices into this discussion.  It aint pretty.  

For a guy who I've given a ton of negative feedback to, Snowguy716 has emerged as the MASSIVE FF OF THE MONTH here on Atlas.

Here's one poster who actually sided with truth, over a desired narrative.  One.  There are a few others, but he was the only one that chose truth over the desired narrative when he probably wished the other narrative were true.

That's a sad commentary on many folks here.  Especially given that the targets of the vitriol were kids.

I just got out of the hospital (an attack of high blood pressure kept me there for observation for 26 hours or so.) so I binge-watched cable TV, and the videos of this incident (ALL of them) were here for everyone to see.  As were the tweets from some of the scummiest leftists ever born that certainly don't deserve to be called "liberal". 

The real narrative is that these kids were caught waiting for a bus at the Lincoln Memorial in front of Black Hebrew Israelites calling them truly vile names, with the only thing giving them some slack was the Native American Group, whom the Black Hebrew Israelites hate even mere, gave them respite.  These are all kids, and they were all in a situation were angry grownups (the Black Hebrew Israelites) were calling them racists, incest kids, and trailer trash.  And these folks ought to be taken seriously.  The Black Hebrew Israelites are deemed a Black Supremacist organization by the Southern Poverty Law Center.  They are also very much a "Prison Religion".  Many Prisoners "join" the Black Hebrew Israelites in prisons because it is a way to have a legitimized gang sanctioned by the prison as a religion.  (Prisons are required to allow a degree of religious freedoms under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which I personally view as a mistake for various reasons.)  If the kids were nervous and afraid of this particular crowd, they had good reason to be.

In the midst of that, you have a Native American (with other Native Americans) come right up to the group and continuously chant.  Now Nathan Phillips had his reasons for what he was doing, and I don't consider him malicious, but it is pretty clear to me that the crowd of kids was not a malicious crowd either; they were there, in that location, because they were in a group, waiting for a bus.  They committed no crime.  They threatened no one.  And if Mr. Phillips indicated that he felt afraid during that situation, I cannot believe that he had enyone to fear BUT the Hebrew Israelites, who hated him and his people as much as they hated the Covington Catholic Kids.

The response to these kids by GROWNUPS, after knowing the whole situation, is infuriating.  Bakari Sellers SHOULD be terminated from CNN (for stating he wanted to punch those kids on Twitter).  Alyssa Milano should be unceremoniously removed, with a reprimand, as spokesperson for the ASPCA, for comparing these kids to the KKK in a tweet.  Kathy Griffin should be blacklisted from all gigs for calling for the doxxing of these kids, who are just that:  KIDS!  Jack Morrisey advocated KILLING the "MAGA kids" by throwing them, hats first, into a woodchipper.  Cyntoia Brown KILLED a person while he was sleeping when she was a teenager, and she gets more props and more sympathy here than kids who, while not having the tragic narrative of Cyntoia Brown, are kids who are going to school, obeying laws, and standing up for what THEY believe in (which, on this day, was the Pro-Life cause, a cause I consider to be both noble and courageous in this day and age).

Does this not bother anyone on the left here?  Is this "liberalism"?  Or is this something else.

There may be a few others, but Snowguy716 was the only Atlas liberal to go, unabashedly, against a favored narrative and speak truth.  The truth is clear now, but people are still pushing the first (proven false) narrative.  That's downright sad, and a comment of how unreachable too many people really are.

Excellent post. Couldn't have said this better myself.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1087918469008576513

The Black Hebrew Israelites have hypnotized Ilhan Omar. May Allah awaken her to see their evil doings.

Not surprised at this response from Omar, but it's amazing how the Democratic and Republican bases have become so divided over this incident.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1087918469008576513

The Black Hebrew Israelites have hypnotized Ilhan Omar. May Allah awaken her to see their evil doings.

Not surprised at this response from Omar, but it's amazing how the Democratic and Republican bases have become so divided over this incident.

I am grateful for President Trump weighing in on this.

The initial narrative really was Fake News and it really was damaging to people who didn't deserve the damage. 

People who believe that these Covington Kids deserved the "reaction" they got for false reports about them are seriously warped.  Ilhan Omar is, I firmly believe, a pathological liar. 

Omar is definitely one of the worst freshmen of the new Congress. It's amazing how much people on here tolerate her blatant anti-Semitism and her ideological radicalism. But then again, this is Atlas. I do agree with you though, that this incident was blown out of proportion and was distorted by the media, as well as by prominent figures in entertainment and in other fields. At least some of those people have backtracked, or have apologized to the schoolboys in question. Unfortunately, it seems like most of the posters here are not willing to do the same.

[Calthrina950]

The issue is the national reaction to a false narrative.

Sure, fine, whatever.  It just seemed important to correct your mischaracterization of the kids as innocent angels just waiting for a bus.  The unrelated incident with the blonde girl proves otherwise.

If you really think what you wish to happen is justice, then, quite frankly, YOU are one of the Baddies, and, quite frankly, one of the Sickies as well.

What a strangely vivid straw effigy of me you seem to have constructed.  By all means, allow me to assist you in kicking it down?

The veracity of that video is to be doubted. I've read that this young lady in the video isn't what she seems to be.

[Calthrina950]

The issue is the national reaction to a false narrative.

Sure, fine, whatever.  It just seemed important to correct your mischaracterization of the kids as innocent angels just waiting for a bus.  The unrelated incident with the blonde girl proves otherwise.

If you really think what you wish to happen is justice, then, quite frankly, YOU are one of the Baddies, and, quite frankly, one of the Sickies as well.

What a strangely vivid straw effigy of me you seem to have constructed.  By all means, allow me to assist you in kicking it down?

The veracity of that video is to be doubted. I've read that this young lady in the video isn't what she seems to be.

As usual, your post lacks any kind of substance.  If you're going to stray from your default "both sides! " mantra and delve into an actual discussion, albeit in the most vague and vapid way possible, the least you could do is try to back it up with some kind of evidence beyond "I've read..."

I don't feel compelled to justify myself to you. Even if I do, you will continue to go on with a mocking charade. You are free to chastise and do whatever on AAD, but you shouldn't be free to do that here.