Trump writing new travel ban + more deportations

[Calthrina950]

It seems like this order may not have some of the same issues as the previous one. I think the administration (and Trump) have recognized the mistakes that were made in regards to the drafting and implementation of the earlier order, and are striving to correct them. Personally, I think that these moves (refugee review, actions against illegal immigrants) are both moves in the right direction. We have to get our immigration system in order, we must maintain the integrity of our borders and our laws, and we must keep this country safe from external threats, either from terrorists or from criminal aliens.

[Calthrina950]

It seems like this order may not have some of the same issues as the previous one. I think the administration (and Trump) have recognized the mistakes that were made in regards to the drafting and implementation of the earlier order, and are striving to correct them. Personally, I think that these moves (refugee review, actions against illegal immigrants) are both moves in the right direction. We have to get our immigration system in order, we must maintain the integrity of our borders and our laws, and we must keep this country safe from external threats, either from terrorists or from criminal aliens.

Except we already were illegals are near the bottom in violent crime and if anyone tells me that our airports are lax I have pent up rage from ungodly waits at JFK to unleash on you

But illegal immigrants exacerbate the situation, putting an additional burden upon our law enforcement. In my opinion, since they did not go through the legal processes to get into this country, they should not be. Their being here discounts all of the legitimate efforts of legal immigrants to get here and to make something of themselves.

[Calthrina950]

It seems like this order may not have some of the same issues as the previous one. I think the administration (and Trump) have recognized the mistakes that were made in regards to the drafting and implementation of the earlier order, and are striving to correct them. Personally, I think that these moves (refugee review, actions against illegal immigrants) are both moves in the right direction. We have to get our immigration system in order, we must maintain the integrity of our borders and our laws, and we must keep this country safe from external threats, either from terrorists or from criminal aliens.

Except we already were illegals are near the bottom in violent crime and if anyone tells me that our airports are lax I have pent up rage from ungodly waits at JFK to unleash on you

But illegal immigrants exacerbate the situation, putting an additional burden upon our law enforcement. In my opinion, since they did not go through the legal processes to get into this country, they should not be. Their being here discounts all of the legitimate efforts of legal immigrants to get here and to make something of themselves.

They're only on a burden on law enforcement if you have law enforcement waste a bunch of time, effort and money searching for productive members of society to deport instead of dealing with real criminals.

Productive members of society? Illegal immigrants are criminals; they violated the law in the first place by being here illegally. Second, many of them have committed other criminal offenses (i.e. identity theft, murder, sex trafficking, drug trafficking, etc.) and need to be removed for it. No one who has broken the law to get here should be allowed to stay.

[Calthrina950]

It seems like this order may not have some of the same issues as the previous one. I think the administration (and Trump) have recognized the mistakes that were made in regards to the drafting and implementation of the earlier order, and are striving to correct them. Personally, I think that these moves (refugee review, actions against illegal immigrants) are both moves in the right direction. We have to get our immigration system in order, we must maintain the integrity of our borders and our laws, and we must keep this country safe from external threats, either from terrorists or from criminal aliens.

Except we already were illegals are near the bottom in violent crime and if anyone tells me that our airports are lax I have pent up rage from ungodly waits at JFK to unleash on you

But illegal immigrants exacerbate the situation, putting an additional burden upon our law enforcement. In my opinion, since they did not go through the legal processes to get into this country, they should not be. Their being here discounts all of the legitimate efforts of legal immigrants to get here and to make something of themselves.

They're only on a burden on law enforcement if you have law enforcement waste a bunch of time, effort and money searching for productive members of society to deport instead of dealing with real criminals.

Productive members of society? Illegal immigrants are criminals; they violated the law in the first place by being here illegally. Second, many of them have committed other criminal offenses (i.e. identity theft, murder, sex trafficking, drug trafficking, etc.) and need to be removed for it. No one who has broken the law to get here should be allowed to stay.

1. "Criminals" can be productive members of society in any case, and illegally crossing the border is a victimless crime (does not harm society), no worse than smoking marijuana. Should a major focus of law enforcement be rounding up and incarcerating (or perhaps deporting!) marijuana smokers?

2. Most "illegal immigrants" overstay their legally obtained visas rather than illegally crossing the border. It is literally not a crime to overstay a visa.

3. "Many" is nothing short of a total and complete lie, but in any case I am not contesting that those who have committed murder, etc. should be deported. Those crimes are investigated just as if the perpetrator were legally present in the U.S., with the ultimate penalty being deportation after incarceration. They are a tiny minority.

You're still not getting my point. I am saying that people who willfully abuse our immigration laws and remain in this country without permission must be removed. Of course, it is most practical to focus on the criminal elements, and on those who have arrived recently. But my preference would be to see all those violating our immigration laws gone. A nation cannot exist if it cannot enforce its laws and maintain its borders. Enough with the amnesties, the welfare benefits, the "DACA" programs, and all of that nonsense. The letter of the law says that any person here illegally must be gone.