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« on: January 19, 2004, 10:51:24 PM »

Put this in the win column for Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). Didn't I say a few weeks ago that Kerry was going to surge and you all laughed at me? Turn to page 4 of the posts and in 2nd place, and youll see. This this boost Kerry in NH, and finally Gephardt is dropping out and hopefully he'll endorse Kerry like I think.

I'll give you your props.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2004, 10:52:03 PM »

He'll either endorse Kerry or Edwards, anyway.

What will the unions do? Will they obey?
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2004, 10:52:41 PM »


Did Kucinich's move today help him any?
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2004, 06:58:06 AM »



Kerry's is certainly one of the great political comebacks. He took a huge risk by putting all his efforts and resources into IA, and it paid off. Should be interesting to see how it all pans out now.

These primaries are turning out to be more exciting than I hoped. Smiley

Kerry had no choice. He was falling and falling fast in NH. He needed to start from scratch and decided to run full-force in Iowa.  Give Jeanne Shaheen, his national chair (co-chair, whatever) credit, too. She purged his leadership team and I'm sure told Kerry that he was wasting his time in NH for the time being.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 06:58:47 AM »

Gustaf who do you support if you could vote

I am not sure, but leaning towards Edwards. I did a political tests, and I think Kerry came up as the best match for me, so I am fine with him as well.

That selectquote test pegged Kerry as #2 for me behind Bush.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 07:00:27 AM »

I love England, my favourite country beside my own. Smiley

Mine, too!  

Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves!
Britons never, ever, ever shall be slaves.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves!
Britons never, ever, ever shall be slaves
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2004, 07:00:58 AM »

what can you do as atlas president/

Have your way with Atlas interns?
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2004, 07:02:00 AM »

he blair portays as bushs bitch in a way

Blair is a courageous leader who knows that the US and the UK succeed as a team, not as enemies.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2004, 07:03:51 AM »

i like alot of people mroe then i like bush, mccain should of won in 2000 over bush

Kerry can build off his early win. McCain didn't have the cash.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2004, 07:04:57 AM »

he blair portays as bushs bitch in a way

Yep. Smiley

But it's quite ironic that a Labour Prime Minister is the most bellicose PM we've ever had. He's sent British troops into war five times in seven years, or something like that.

Not engaging in war doesn't make you more peaceful.  It makes you disengaged.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2004, 07:22:53 AM »

I'm most pleased for Edwards here! Kerry may win NH now, but when the southern states have their primaries it looks like a battle between Clark and Edwards. I think Dean's campaign is sinking faster than a rock. Its fine to dream, but we need a president here, not just candidate! Now a Clark/Edwards ticket...pinch me now!

I think Clark will fade as these others (Kerry and Edwards) have become the anti-Dean.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2004, 07:24:53 AM »

Not engaging in war doesn't make you more peaceful.  

err, yes it does, by literal definition.

We weren't at peace before we engaged in WW2.  It was a false peace. It was a peace in our mind.  You're  at war even if you're just surrendering.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2004, 09:26:14 AM »

Even if Dean does become the eventual winner Iowa has sent a strong message to his campaign. He must take what he says seriously and not just use outrageous remarks and statements to get atention. At first what got him up to the top has actually begun to hurt him. I am anxiously waiting for the next couple of weeks to see what the big picture will look like.

Judging by last night's crazy speech, he has missed the memo.

Here's what the Dems have said about him on a Dem board:

I am beside myself right now.
Thats putting it mildly.
LOL... Dookus
he was shrieking the names of a bunch of states
Picture a psychotic truck driver headed full steam for a bridge abuttment
Very unattractive and manic display.
More like a man on the edge
Oh my God, he said Yeeha
That was strange. YeeeeHa?
The Yeeha seemed forced to me..
Maybe he will get the southern white male vote after all ;-)
Hey look, he can name all 50 states
I wonder if someone spiked his coke with crystal meth soleft
Does his wife double as a phychologist? The guy needs a tranquilizer.
Who's that scarey man on TV mommy?
Good god, he's like a drunk whirling dervish... Holy cow. Is this what Dean is really like?
sure am glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's acting looney...
I think his card table is folding fast
I'm a Dean Support too and I'm stunned
he's speaking in tounges!
He was acting really scary!
He was yelling all the states in this angry hoarse voice then yeeehaawed
And growling like a mad dog.. Man I hope they show that again...
Look, I love Dean's passion, but that was scary.
It was one of the most shocking things I've seen in a long time
MSNBC: Would you want a doctor like THIS in the ER?
Yep. Imagine you're an NH voter watching this display...
Several months ago, I predicted Dean would implode, he just did
He looked like Jimmy Swaggart.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2004, 11:21:59 AM »

You all are taking that speech way too far. I have more respect for voters that they'll decide their candidate based on something other then their personality during a speech. Am I the only one who thinks this way? :-/

Yes.

When every TV and radio talk show talks about what a crazy person you appear to be, you're toast. Just slap the pat of butter on your back.

Voters vote on personality. Ask John Edwards who went from zero to hero on the strength of his political personality. State of mind is a character issue to voters.  No one wants an unbalanced person as President. That's a bipartisan issue.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2004, 02:52:06 PM »

I'm delighted with Edwards strong performance in Iowa. 32% is more than I had thought he would get Smiley
Well done to Kerry, goodbye Gephardt and Dean... what were you thinking?

I didn't really follow Edwards' campaign. He hasn't really run ads here. If he's run a positive campaign, then good for him for his success.
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2004, 02:54:47 PM »

We'll see.  Dean will win New Hampshire, mark my words.

New Hampshire is a much more volatile state than Iowa.  That's good and bad. Dean has an opportunity to reinvent himself.  He should have started last night, but didn't. He's running out of time. If not, the volatility will swamp his boat. I think Gary Hart came out of nowhere to win.  McCain's was a late surge, but it wasn't a big surprise.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2004, 02:56:00 PM »

Dean has to win New Hampshire, or he's done.

He has to win solidly. A narrow win won't cut it, IMO.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2004, 02:57:46 PM »

Wow, what a race...all of a sudden Kerry and Edwards, both of whom had been given up on and left for dead, are major contenders. I really like Edwards a lot...I think he would be the strongest candidate against Bush. He would be the most difficult for Karl Rove to run against. He's got an optimistic message, and is from the South, and is a moderate Democrat. All along they were planning on running against an angry northeastern liberal, but with Edwards Bush's task is a bit more difficult.

Dean has to win New Hampshire in order to remain a viable contender. Everybody else has to finish at least 3rd...I think after New Hampshire the race will be down to 3 major candidates left.

I like the comment I heard that this was a back to the future event.  We're right where we were at the start of the campaign after the 2002 midterms.  Kerry was the frontrunner and Edwards was the second coming of John F. Kennedy and Clinton.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2004, 02:59:06 PM »

Wow, what a race...all of a sudden Kerry and Edwards, both of whom had been given up on and left for dead, are major contenders. I really like Edwards a lot...I think he would be the strongest candidate against Bush. He would be the most difficult for Karl Rove to run against. He's got an optimistic message, and is from the South, and is a moderate Democrat. All along they were planning on running against an angry northeastern liberal, but with Edwards Bush's task is a bit more difficult.

Dean has to win New Hampshire in order to remain a viable contender. Everybody else has to finish at least 3rd...I think after New Hampshire the race will be down to 3 major candidates left.

Do you think Edwards is out if he finishes 4th? Or that Clark is if he finishes 3rd? Otherwise, all four (Dean, Edwards, Kerry and Clark) could remain in the running at least for the Feb 3rd primaries.

It depends on what kind of 4th place finish he scores. I still think he'll stay in until SC regardless.  A 4th place finish just makes it tougher to win SC.  If he can come in 4th and still win SC, I think he's fine.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2004, 03:01:48 PM »

Dean has to win New Hampshire, or he's done.

He has to win solidly. A narrow win won't cut it, IMO.

That depends on how the polls turn-out. If it looks like he's done and he still manages to come through in the end, it might get spun as a come-back and save his campaign. But I agree that he really needs a solid win.

I don't get that feeling. Dean was leading by 30 points at one point for crying out loud. A narrow 2 or 3 point win over Kerry couldn't be spun as a big win for Dean.  At least Kerry can say that he has shown that he can be a player in the midwest and the northeast if he comes in a close second in NH after a first place win in Iowa.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2004, 03:03:08 PM »

Wow, what a race...all of a sudden Kerry and Edwards, both of whom had been given up on and left for dead, are major contenders. I really like Edwards a lot...I think he would be the strongest candidate against Bush. He would be the most difficult for Karl Rove to run against. He's got an optimistic message, and is from the South, and is a moderate Democrat. All along they were planning on running against an angry northeastern liberal, but with Edwards Bush's task is a bit more difficult.

Dean has to win New Hampshire in order to remain a viable contender. Everybody else has to finish at least 3rd...I think after New Hampshire the race will be down to 3 major candidates left.

Do you think Edwards is out if he finishes 4th? Or that Clark is if he finishes 3rd? Otherwise, all four (Dean, Edwards, Kerry and Clark) could remain in the running at least for the Feb 3rd primaries.

It depends on what kind of 4th place finish he scores. I still think he'll stay in until SC regardless.  A 4th place finish just makes it tougher to win SC.  If he can come in 4th and still win SC, I think he's fine.

The most recent poll I've seen shows Edwards at 8%, 11% behind Clark, so getting a better result than 4th will be hard for him.

Things can change very quickly because of the high undecideds in the Dem party and the large number of undeclareds that will show up.  If Edwards can get up on TV and radio now in a real way, he can change those numbers fast.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2004, 03:07:31 PM »

Wow, what a race...all of a sudden Kerry and Edwards, both of whom had been given up on and left for dead, are major contenders. I really like Edwards a lot...I think he would be the strongest candidate against Bush. He would be the most difficult for Karl Rove to run against. He's got an optimistic message, and is from the South, and is a moderate Democrat. All along they were planning on running against an angry northeastern liberal, but with Edwards Bush's task is a bit more difficult.

Dean has to win New Hampshire in order to remain a viable contender. Everybody else has to finish at least 3rd...I think after New Hampshire the race will be down to 3 major candidates left.

Do you think Edwards is out if he finishes 4th? Or that Clark is if he finishes 3rd? Otherwise, all four (Dean, Edwards, Kerry and Clark) could remain in the running at least for the Feb 3rd primaries.

It depends on what kind of 4th place finish he scores. I still think he'll stay in until SC regardless.  A 4th place finish just makes it tougher to win SC.  If he can come in 4th and still win SC, I think he's fine.

The most recent poll I've seen shows Edwards at 8%, 11% behind Clark, so getting a better result than 4th will be hard for him.

And we've forgotten about the big debate Thursday night.  That could change things, too.  Those poll numbers are very fluid.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2004, 03:08:53 PM »

Dean has to win New Hampshire, or he's done.

He has to win solidly. A narrow win won't cut it, IMO.

That depends on how the polls turn-out. If it looks like he's done and he still manages to come through in the end, it might get spun as a come-back and save his campaign. But I agree that he really needs a solid win.

I don't get that feeling. Dean was leading by 30 points at one point for crying out loud. A narrow 2 or 3 point win over Kerry couldn't be spun as a big win for Dean.  At least Kerry can say that he has shown that he can be a player in the midwest and the northeast if he comes in a close second in NH after a first place win in Iowa.

I hope you're right, b/c Dean will not win solidly. Kerry is onle behind by 8% or so, and that's before the Iowa results came into play. Dean will probably go down even more.  

It will take a day or two for the real bounce to show up in the polls. The bounce includes a surge in money for ads, too.
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2004, 03:09:48 PM »

Put this in the win column for Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). Didn't I say a few weeks ago that Kerry was going to surge and you all laughed at me? Turn to page 4 of the posts and in 2nd place, and youll see. This this boost Kerry in NH, and finally Gephardt is dropping out and hopefully he'll endorse Kerry like I think.

I wonder if Jim Rassmann will help out Kerry in NH, too.  We like vets here.
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2004, 03:13:41 PM »

NHpolitico, instead of puttting like 10 posts in a row, why dont u just modify them. no offense or anything but its kinda annoying, sry

I'm not usually replying to the same posts.
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