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NHPolitico
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« on: January 03, 2004, 02:46:49 PM »

So few votes were needed by Gore that taking out Nader would have boosted him to victory in Florida. I think that Nader's verbal hits at Gore hurt him, too.
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2004, 01:33:04 PM »

The point of him running was to hopefully get 5% of the vote in order to get federal funding for 2004.  Guess what?  He didn't get it.  But we have 8 years of GWB thanks to him.

Do you know when the Golden Age of conservative media was? During Clinton's 8 years. Liberals should be thanking Nader. Subscriptions to liberal magazines and donations to liberal charities are way up since January 2001.  Think positive!
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2004, 01:37:40 PM »

The point of him running was to hopefully get 5% of the vote in order to get federal funding for 2004.  Guess what?  He didn't get it.  But we have 8 years of GWB thanks to him.

I thought the point was to force the Dems to take care of the environment, lean more towards him.

That's, of course, an interesting point. Do parties want power or influence?  You'd think the survival instinct is the most powerful of the two. I think parties are willing to sell their soul in exchange for their existence.  So, I'd say that the Greenies care more about having the party be a lasting entity than having the Dems absorb their ideas.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2004, 08:06:23 PM »

no look at the 4 previous posts, you guys didn't say anything.  

Ok and back to Nader, do you think he will run or not?
Yeah, as an idependent.  So he won't be on the abllot in as many sates.  but he has to run because he is an egomaniac.

{excerpted: NYT, 1/10/04}

At this point, Mr. Nader said in an interview this week, a run depends only on his ability to collect enough money and volunteers to mount a credible effort. Otherwise, he said, he has a zillion reasons to go ahead — including, he insists, that doing so would be good for the Democrats.

"But you've got to have money, and you've got to have volunteers," he said, though declining to specify the levels he would need of each. "The verdict is still out, but I'll decide by the end of the month."

Four years ago, he said he was running for president because he believed that the major-party nominees, Mr. Gore and George W. Bush, were virtually indistinguishable and that the parties were too cozy with corporate America. Now Mr. Nader, 69, says he has seen enough of Mr. Bush's administration to make defeating him and ending Republican control of Congress the chief goals. And those goals are more achievable, he says, if he joins the race.

By hammering away at populist themes like a higher minimum wage, union rights and occupational health regulations, all of which he says have been neglected, he would force the leading Democratic contenders to move left. That, he says, would expand the party's base, drawing out more liberal voters, some angry enough at him about 2000 that they would vote for the Democratic nominee instead, and many who would vote Democratic in close House and Senate races.

"I would not do this if I didn't really want to defeat Bush," Mr. Nader said, calling the McCarthy era "chicken feed compared with what we have now."

"Seeking justice supersedes everything," he said, sounding more than ever like a candidate. "Without justice, we have nothing in this world. We can't have freedom without justice. That's what freedom is supposed to be."

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2004, 09:45:38 AM »

The point of him running was to hopefully get 5% of the vote in order to get federal funding for 2004.  Guess what?  He didn't get it.  But we have 8 years of GWB thanks to him.

I thought the point was to force the Dems to take care of the environment, lean more towards him.

That's, of course, an interesting point. Do parties want power or influence?  You'd think the survival instinct is the most powerful of the two. I think parties are willing to sell their soul in exchange for their existence.  So, I'd say that the Greenies care more about having the party be a lasting entity than having the Dems absorb their ideas.

You're right about the parties, I was more thinking about Nader personally. But they don't really exist anyway, do they? The only thing they can really hope for is to get people to accept their ideas. Now Nader can say, "look, if you don't run as environamentalists, a green candidate will run and cist you the election". The greens couldn't accomplish much anyway, could they?

A party schism could happen. If the DLC Party was formed and the Green Party was "formed" out of the ashes of the Democrat Party, they could be a big voting bloc and influence races.
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2004, 09:19:19 PM »

Not all their issues but maybe just something or give them a position or two in an administration.  Something, rather than just blame them for Gore's loss.  Still all i hear from Democrats.


The Green party already does influence a few House races.  PLus Dems continue to blame them instead of listening to them and embracing some of their concerns.
We wouldn't win a nationwide election if we "embraced" the Green's point of view.  

A Greenie as EPA Administrator, perhaps?  Carol Browner probably was now that I think of it.
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