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Bacon King
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« on: November 26, 2014, 03:13:50 AM »

Breaking news: Officer Darren Wilson's prosecutor is the president of an organization selling "I SUPPORT OFFICER D WILSON" tee shirts

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43839_Is_St._Louis_County_Prosecutor_Robert_McCulloch_Helping_Raise_Money_for_Ofc._Darren_Wilson?p=1
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Bacon King
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2014, 05:08:35 AM »

Looking at the social media posts it seems like moderates/the middle along with conservatives are siding with the Officer. The left might of actually done a disfavor to itself by its constant whitewashing of Michael Brown into a saint.

Nobody has claimed him to be a saint, but he's not some aggressive "demon" that he's been made out to be. And regardless of his attitude, personality, and history, none of that would in any way justify getting shot multiple times.

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I was dismissive of Ferguson until I looked at the evidence. There's no way that Wilson's account is "most probable". His entire testimony reads like a series of contrived and improbable nonsense. He had no basis to reasonable use his firearm and the entire account falls apart when you consider the body was located a good fifty yards further away from his vehicle than his sworn statement implies.

Instead of arguing what is probable or not, why not leave that to an actual court, with an actual prosecutor, following actual court procedure? That's the only sound way we can determine whether the killer's own account is in any way plausible.

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You mean the riot that Ferguson police almost certainly staged, so they could be sure that public opinion would be on their side after their sham of a grand jury decision was announced? They waited until night time for the verdict to ensure prime time coverage, and announced it well ahead of time so a good crowd would be there. They riled the crowd up by blasting them all with tear gas at the slightest hint of trouble, and then every officer fell back to "protect the police station". They let the riots run wild throughout the city without using any of that fancy military-grade hardware they're now infamous for owning. They even declined to escort firemen to burning buildings- because why put them out when it makes such great TV?

Nobody has defended the riots at all, merely pointed out that it was a small fraction of the people who were protesting peacefully. But Wilson apologists point to the riot as if it somehow justifies the verdict, even though it's entirely irrelevant to the injustice that occurred. An 18 year old boy's killer is free, never even forced to face a trial, because of a crooked small town lawyer who fixed the grand jury by arguing against his own case he was supposed to be prosecuting.
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Bacon King
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2014, 11:24:21 AM »

Looking at the social media posts it seems like moderates/the middle along with conservatives are siding with the Officer. The left might of actually done a disfavor to itself by its constant whitewashing of Michael Brown into a saint.

If the left would just bother to look at the evidence instead of trying to create another social justice campaign they might actually realize that officer Darren Wilson's account of events is the most probable.

Also the left's defense of the rioting and looting have caused a lot of people in their side to drift away from their cause.

Congratulations, in one post you have quickly become as bad as Reaganfan. Hell, your signature is worse than anything Naso has ever had in his. Good job.

Nice response, you totally schooled him.  All his points are now void!

I think the red avatars on this site legitimately log in thinking they're posting on a forum made for liberals, which is not how this place used to be.  Sad.

Thanks for in any way responding to my argument Smiley

Those in charge of the police and the National Guard made some stupid decisions. but there were good reasons for waiting until night and giving people time to prepare for the announcement to get to safety.  During the day more people are at their workplaces, so they are going to be there when the thieves and arsonists show up, and someone is more likely to end up dead.  During the day more people are driving on the streets, which means more problems for roads being blocked by protesters, which makes it even more difficult for the police and emergency responders to get around. The fact is there was no good time to come out with these results of the grand jury (though the prosecutor himself is clearly an idiot).  This isn't evidence of some conspiracy.

If they were expecting- and seeking to prevent- a riot, why not just make an impromptu announcement without allowing hours for protesters to assemble? Isn't it much more likely people would end up dead if it's at night, when crowds are much harder to control? Where were the hundreds of national guardsmen that were apparently in Ferguson? Why did these guys pictured below not do anything to contain or limit the riot, and just fell back once they'd done just enough to get everyone pissed off?

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