Let's have a calm, polite and substantial discussion about gender and sex

[Bacon King]

I consider "feminism" as a term, and as a movement, unnecessary in 2013, and needlessly divisive and negative in general. I don't believe in the "patriarchy" and I don't believe in "rape culture." I don't think modern feminism is at all well equipped to handle the issues it's supposed to be solving, because as a movement it seems to waste more time complaining about things and finding people to blame, rather than coming up with actual solutions.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you so I'm going to be responding to a few bits of your post here.

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The fact that some people bring up trivial, meaningless things doesn't mean there still aren't legitimate gripes about societal gender biases to fight about.

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Equality does not mean they're identical. Treating men and women exactly the same is a bias towards men. Men don't pee blood every month which has been statistically linked to the fact that women on average have to take more sick days from work than men, for example. Of course there are bigger issues like that pregnancy thing and such but I'm just listing an example.

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Yeah and I can't make any jokes about black people these days, the civil rights movement only cares about the interest of minorities amirite

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Fun exercise: replace female with black and male with white and see if your sentences still sound reasonable!

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I don't know what kind of feminists you interact with but you're not describing the beliefs of any feminist I've ever met. I don't want to say you've built a straw-man but it sounds that way to my ears.

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Most feminists agree with you here you know

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[citation needed]

[Bacon King]

I really tried to respond to that post, BK, but since about two thirds of it consists of stupid cheap shots, I really don't want to bother spending half of a post repeatedly denying I'm a sexist/racist/something-ist. Maybe you could get away with half of those cheap remarks toward Krazen or JCL or someone making that post, but I know you know better than to try implying I don't completely support equality wherever possible by completely misinterpreting my post.

I'll post here when I have something to respond to that isn't "lol you stupid neckbeards, brb spending all day in irc" or "OHOHOHO NOW REPLACE THIS WORD WITH BLACK."

What gives, man? I'll admit it's not a counterargument, just a few quick points I wanted to make, but I don't understand the personal vitriol you're directing at me here. I didn't make a full counterargument because if I did I'd end up spending like an hour typing it, which I don't really have the time for at the moment. But yeah, I sincerely apologize if you took anything I said personally because that certainly wasn't my intention.