Nevada GOP caucus **results thread**

[Bacon King]

Friendly mod warning: chill out the trolling, guys

lol @ Santorum.

Never. Give. Up.

WE ARE NOT A FOOTNOTE!

This one's for Sarah Mariah!

[Bacon King]

Friendly mod warning: chill out with the anti-mormon rhetoric plz

Mormon identity politics is disgusting.

I'll remember how disgusting you think identity politics is when my precinct comes in in November. 

If you'll read my post, you'll see that I only described Mormon identity politics as disgusting.

I know.  That is what I'll you be reminding you of, how it is okay for one group, but not another.

Yes, it's not okay for Mormons. I have no stance on the identity politics of other groups. But Mormon identity politics is disgusting. No need to remind me a few months from now.

[Bacon King]

By this time, in Florida, a state that is much, much bigger, where ballots cannot be counted until polls close, a majority of precincts were reporting.

The NV GOP is literally the worst.

If you think this is the worst, just wait until the Washington caucus in a few weeks!

[Bacon King]

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ELECTION CHAT

[Bacon King]

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#nvcaucus for observant Jews starts with chaos as non-religious voters protest not being allowed to participate. @ronpaul most peeved.

[Bacon King]

Precincts in right now: 304
Precincts out in Lyon: 40
Precincts out in Washoe: 413
Precincts out in Clark: 1073

jus'sayin

[Bacon King]

Oh  this I'm going down there myself.

GO JOE

[Bacon King]

Honestly, considering some of these caucuses took place like twelve hours before they started releasing results, there's really no reason why they shouldn't have had at least a fair amount of them counted and ready to be released by the time the Magic Jew Caucus began.

[Bacon King]

I bet most Paulites just voted at the Jewish caucus so they could sleep in.

Coverage of the Adelson caucus made it sound like circus. I think that the Paul campaign was trolling by sending his craziest supporters.

Apparently the Paul campaign robocalled virtually all their supporters about it, saying they could go to the MJC if they missed their own; I imagine only the craziest actually went through with it, though (and in particular probably only the anti-Semetic ZOMG ZIONIST CONSPIRACY types actively preferred to crash it).

[Bacon King]

I bet most Paulites just voted at the Jewish caucus so they could sleep in.

Coverage of the Adelson caucus made it sound like circus. I think that the Paul campaign was trolling by sending his craziest supporters.

Apparently the Paul campaign robocalled virtually all their supporters about it, saying they could go to the MJC if they missed their own; I imagine only the craziest actually went through with it, though (and in particular probably only the anti-Semetic ZOMG ZIONIST CONSPIRACY types actively preferred to crash it).

And the Paulites as I surmised lied on the form they signed attesting that for religious reasons (not because they could not get out of bed that early), they could not attend a caucus meeting held during the day. Charming.

Not as charming as a late-night caucus held at the request of your friendly local billionaire.

And, seriously, if you're holding a late-night caucus, why not make it open to all, especially those who had to miss the morning caucus for work? (EDIT: I realize that this pretty clearly wasn't the case, but all things considered, I'm glad that insane, paranoid Paulites crashed this sham.)

And just what were the checks to make sure the Paulites did not vote twice?  Just asking. 

What were the checks to make sure the other voters didn't vote twice?

Well if the balance of the caucuses held in Clark were held at the same time, that might prove inconvenient, unless Captain Kirk teleported them around. And that assumes that you don't have to show at the day caucuses your address, if you are supposed to go to a particular caucus based on where you live.

GOP Caucuses didn't happen at a coordinated time throughout the day; from what I can gather most of Clark County was in the morning. There definitely wasn't any other caucus going on during the MJC, as that was the entire point of holding it.

[Bacon King]

Also, here's another good article highlighting the chaos of the Magic Jew Caucus:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/tempers-flare-at-chaotic-sundown-caucus-138725814.html

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[Bacon King]

"He said the most important part of the document was a portion stating the attendee hadn't already caucused earlier in the day."

So "the check" regarding the voting twice thing, is well, you just sign a form that you didn't vote twice, the same one that says you were precluded from voting earlier due to religious reasons. If you lie about one thing, why not lie about two things?  Yes, some Paulites refused to sign the form.  Or did they sign it, scratching out the religious attestation part?  If they avoided signing anything, then they didn't lie at all!  They just committed a crime, assuming it is criminal to vote twice in a non-government sanctioned caucus process. It probably isn't. 

A few things I've learned from looking it up just now-

1. The Magical Jew Caucus didn't even get to appoint precinct delegates, apparently, so in all honesty if someone voted twice in Clark County it wouldn't have any real effect.
2. Some people were indeed turned away for refusing to sign the form; one high school teacher had to get escorted out by the police
3. You had to show a valid Nevada ID to caucus at the MJC, just like for every other caucus in the state, so presumably (making the rather large leap of faith that the NV GOP isn't utterly incompetent) they'd be able to catch any act of double-voting, even if it is after the fact.
4. I don't see how double voting would be easier here than, say, caucusing in one county at 9 AM and then going to the next county over that caucuses at noon, or whatever.

[Bacon King]

What's up with the GOP there ?

Still stuck at 70% ?

I think there's a real chance that CO/MN/MO might report their results earlier than the NV GOP ...

The counters have apparently been back in the office for ninety minutes now, according to Twitter.

Also from Twitter:

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Joe, was this you?

[Bacon King]

So that night caucus's numbers are not fed into the totals to allocate delegates?  Nevada has a strictly proportional delegate allocation system. Somehow I doubt that. It would make the whole affair at the night caucus a total waste of time - except of course as it turned out, for its entertainment value. And it was entertaining listening to the Paulites vent, and they had a lot to vent about!

I'm not sure on this point; I guess you're correct that the votes will be factored in to the delegate math, probably, but none of the Clark County delegates will be coming from that caucus. And I certainly agree, the humor value alone makes the fiasco worth it.

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Ah, no, emphasis on "after the fact"; I assume that they'll take the info of those who filled out the forms (which was presumably verified at the time with everyone's IDs) and compare it with their "home" precinct to make sure they didn't vote twice. I'm assuming they could adjust the results accordingly since it wasn't a secret ballot? Or, at the very least, report the fraudster to the police or whatever.

So I'm assuming Colorado and Minnesota won't be complete clusterf**ks likes this was, right? Minnesota could at least potentially be close between four candidates...

I don't know about Colorado, but IIRC Minnesota had some sort of problems in 2008?

[Bacon King]

In other news, apparently in some Clark County caucus precincts, the number of ballots cast did not match the number of folks who signed in (no problem if the number of ballots cast is lower (some folks just wanted to watch or not cast a ballot because they hated everybody; a rather impossible problem if the number is higher, but that little factlet one way or the other is not disclosed), and those ballots from the mismatch precincts are being set aside, while the party officials figure out what to do about that.

So, I would not count on any further results being released today. Cheers.

LOL!

I wouldn't be surprised if they just accidentally mixed a bunch of precinct results up at some point in the last 27 hours.

[Bacon King]

Yes, Nevada caucus fans, the problem is too many votes in "multiple precincts" aka ballot stuffing or something, rather than too few, but the good news, is that the number of votes is "small." However, the remedy being chatted about is to just toss out the precincts entirely (so the small number of votes involved gets rather larger when "multiple precincts" are tossed out), which if it affects the delegate allocation means a lawsuit (would the courts have jurisdiction over this?), and certainly a rules fight. And the litigant might be Mittens here, since this is Clark County, although I suspect that Adelson night caucus precinct which Paul swept might well be in play here as well.

The stuffed precinct ballots are sitting in what is called a "trouble box."     I think a new term might just have entered the English language.  Folks are going to say it is "trouble box" time, or they are going to need a "trouble box" or whatever.  Now that makes it all worthwhile!

The courts should have jurisdiction over this, because the process of the Nevada caucus system is written into state law.

[Bacon King]

IT'S TAKEN THEM OVER A DAY TO COUNT

Considering that every precinct left uncounted was in Clark County and thus at 9 AM, it's actually taken them almost a day and a half to count this.