Scumbag Santorum tells Dreamer to leave country

[Jeffster]

He's absolutely right for once.

I'm not sure if it's just lack of empathy that you people have, or straight up sadism.

Oh please. I can't keep track of how many red avatars I've seen when talking about jobs lost to outsourcing and illegal immigration going "boo hoo, dey took er jerbs!" You guys are some of the biggest hypocrites these days. You claim to care about working people, yet you support policies that allow the exploitation of labor in the third world under horrible conditions, and you want to undermine the labor in our own country all so you can import future voters.

Illegals are not taking jobs American won't do, they are taking jobs Americans wont do for low wages. If your retort to that is "then prices will have to go up to compensate for higher wages" then we can make that same argument against raising the minimum wage. But I bet all you hypocrites are in favor of that. And your whole position boils down to requiring a permanent underclass of labor all so you can enjoy cheap goods. I put people like that in the same category as those who argued for maintaining slavery all because of the cheap goods it provided. Absolutely disgusting.

That's why I no longer consider myself a Democrat after I realized what they are really becoming. I've hated the Republicans for most of my life because they were the party of the globalist top 1% who used religion in order to dupe voters to support them. Well the Democrats are becoming the party of the globalist top 1% who use social justice to pander to their various minority group base. They don't care about the working class anymore. It's all about importing enough illegals so their children can become citizens and they can use identity politics to pander to them for votes. All while they keep sending jobs overseas on behalf of global capital.

I'm not a Republican either, so don't even bother going there as an argument with any stupid whataboutisms.

[Jeffster]

Undocumented immigrants are part of the American working class, you dolt. Using disparaging terms like "illegals" to describe the most vulnerable part of the working class proves that you're anti-worker.

No they aren't you moron. They are scabs. They increase the supply of labor and drive down wages in the process. They can go back to their own countries and fight for good wages there.

[Jeffster]

Whenever anyone uses the term "social justice" I assume they are an alt-right fascist. Haven't been wrong yet.

"Everyone I don't like is literally Hitler!"

Democrats have given up on class based arguments and caring about the working class. They decided that social justice is how they could dupe their base into voting for policies that ultimately help global capital. It's all about divide and conquer. I've supported LGBT rights for decades, I support equal rights for women, and I support equal rights for all ethnic groups in America legally. So take your "fascist" crap somewhere else.

[Jeffster]

Especially when it's in the same sentence as "globalist"

Where were you during the WTO protests in Seattle back in 1999?

[Jeffster]

Whenever anyone uses the term "social justice" I assume they are an alt-right fascist. Haven't been wrong yet.

"Everyone I don't like is literally Hitler!"

Democrats have given up on class based arguments and caring about the working class. They decided that social justice is how they could dupe their base into voting for policies that ultimately help global capital. It's all about divide and conquer. I've supported LGBT rights for decades, I support equal rights for women, and I support equal rights for all ethnic groups in America legally. So take your "fascist" crap somewhere else.

Again, "social justice" gives you away. If you want to pretend to be a liberal use different terminology.

What's the approved terminology then? I'll bet you don't like the term 'regressive left' either, huh? I like that term because it allows me to separate myself from other left leaning people who have their heads up their own asses.

[Jeffster]

This makes zero sense. How is this any different from, say, a teenager entering the job force for the same time? In fact, by your logic, literally anyone who wants a job is a scab, and thus can't be a member of the working class.

I suppose you are referring to teenagers that are legal citizens right? The difference is that they are legal citizens. When I talk about helping the working class in the US I'm talking about people who are legally the working class in the US. I'd love it if the Mexican government took care of the Mexican working class, and the Chinese government took care of the Chinese working class, etc. We should be using our trade deals to incentivize other countries to meet a minimum set of standards on human rights, workers rights, and environmental regulations, instead of the current race to the bottom. It's not the job of the US government to employ illegal immigrants within our borders at the expense of our own citizens.

Teenage US citizens are also hurt by illegal immigration. Look at how many fast food places have illegals working in them, when it used to be our own teens that did those jobs in the past.

[Jeffster]

This makes zero sense. How is this any different from, say, a teenager entering the job force for the same time? In fact, by your logic, literally anyone who wants a job is a scab, and thus can't be a member of the working class.

I suppose you are referring to teenagers that are legal citizens right? The difference is that they are legal citizens. When I talk about helping the working class in the US I'm talking about people who are legally the working class in the US. I'd love it if the Mexican government took care of the Mexican working class, and the Chinese government took care of the Chinese working class, etc. We should be using our trade deals to incentivize other countries to meet a minimum set of standards on human rights, workers rights, and environmental regulations, instead of the current race to the bottom. It's not the job of the US government to employ illegal immigrants within our borders at the expense of our own citizens.

Teenage US citizens are also hurt by illegal immigration. Look at how many fast food places have illegals working in them, when it used to be our own teens that did those jobs in the past.

Hey Jeffsteroni,

Why don't you head down to Mickey D's and apply for a job!  But don't put your social security number in and tell them you don't have one because you're not legally in the United States.  See what happens.

Your delusions are what happens when you get your news from Bullsh**t Mountain.  

Remember this:  sh**t always rolls down hill.

One of the first articles after googling "illegal immigrants working in fast food"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-fastfood-idUSTRE71664T20110207

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[Jeffster]

Hiring managers will hire whomever they wish to see hired. Especially in the world of small business, hiring criteria are really quite subjective. Outside of technical fields, the importance of qualifications are greatly overstated -- for most tasks, workers learn on the job.

Take the example of a small business owner (construction or lawn-care) or a hiring manager at a "low-prestige" service job (fast food, hotel and restaurant, office cleaning, etc.). These managers have consistently, for decades, preferred selecting immigrant labor, legal or otherwise, to domestic ones for filling open positions. Their reasons for doing so have little to do with the qualifications (or lack thereof) of the immigrant or American-born worker.

When the pool of immigrant labor is limited, these same hiring managers will not start drawing workers from the currently un- or underemployed American-born. They will simply close their businesses, or else move to where their preferred labor is found or can be brought in.

The thought that illegal immigration sweeps will force Lowe's or Tyson or Harrah's to start hiring US-born workers to replace their deported employees is nonsense.

So construction companies will close up shop in the US and instead build houses in other countries? Lowes will close their US locations and open up shops in foreign countries to somehow sell products to Americans? Harrah's will close all their US casinos and make Americans travel to foreign countries to gamble? That makes no sense. Any company stupid enough to do that will be replaced by one that stays in the US.

Things that are sold in the US that require labor at the point of delivery can be done exclusively by US citizen workers as long as the government enforces it.

[Jeffster]

That was the wildest non-sequitur I have yet to read on Atlas Forum. Has the possibility that the small business or service company can't start hiring immigrant-born workers within the US not occurred to you?

If the immigrant is here legally then that's fine. The discussion so far has been about illegal immigration.

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They've expanded their businesses in foreign countries, but they didn't shut down all their locations in the US. If Harrah's left the US completely then other casinos would fill the gap. Your argument seems to be that we need a permanent underclass of illegal labor in order to keep businesses open. That somehow if we limited our workforce to just legal workers, and required businesses to follow US laws on minimum wage, overtime pay, workplace safety. etc. that all these businesses would close up and we wouldn't have hardware stores or casinos or fast food restaurants anymore. It's just absurd.

[Jeffster]

Especially when it's in the same sentence as "globalist"

Where were you during the WTO protests in Seattle back in 1999?

Uh I was 4 years old, so...

The point was using the term "globalist" does not automatically make you a part of the far right. There were plenty of us on the left protesting against the WTO and the rush of western capitalists to exploit the third world back in the day.