Should the Democrats adopt the agenda of Robertson and Falwell?

[Virginian87]

Hell no.  This is not what is meant by moving to the center at all.  Robertson and Falwell are two of the craziest people in this country today.  Anyone who blaims 9/11 on gays and abortionists has completely lost it.  I actually met Falwell when I was at Boys State.  It was held at Liberty University in Lynchburg, the college he started to mold other people into likenesses of himself.  It's almost as bad as Bob Jones University, but the campus is uglier.  I'm embarrassed that these people hail from the great state of Virginia.

[Virginian87]

Corporations are not allowed to rob people. They are allowed to trade with people in the free market, and in doing so they have greatly improved the qualify of life for the avergage American.

Greatly improved the qualify of life for the average American? That's a riot.

You should stop using that computer then, the parts were built by evil corporations.

HAHAHAHA.  That's right, Intel and Microsoft want to know your weaknesses and exploit them!

[Virginian87]

I don't think he was talking to you.  You're not a Republican.

[Virginian87]

Maybe we should outlaw calculators. Just think of all those mathematicians we put out of business.

Haha, boy our average high school math scores would go down then.  We would bankrupt Texas Instruments.

[Virginian87]

I love how Scoonie, jfern, and a few other Democrats on this board think that by moving to the centre you immediately become a pawn of the religious right. I don't think that Clinton had the agenda of Robertson and Falwell neither do Bayh, Lincoln, Warner, Breaux, Richardson or Nelson. I don't see why you are so adverse towards moving to the centre to become more electable. If the Democrats don't do it somebody will, and that somebody may not be the Republicans either. Whoever is the more moderate, or who is percieved as the most moderate, usually wins in Presidential elections. So your party can either go in the direction of putting up candidates who score 100% from various leftist organizations or towards the direction of electoral victory and centrism.

THANK YOU!  It's what I've been trying to say the whole time.

[Virginian87]

The funny thing was is back then, Goldwater was labeled an extremist.  By the '90s, he was a fairly moderate Republican.  He didn't change, the party did.

[Virginian87]

Centrists and Moderates don't have any principles, you are either allied with the ultra-religous or the seculars.

According to you and jfern, there is no such thing as centrism.  I beg to differ.  Go look at the voting electorate.  Most people want someone who is balanced, with views that partially complement both sides.  This is how Clinton got elected, and as the electorate swings further to the right.  It's the only way we can take the White House.

[Virginian87]

Centrists and Moderates don't have any principles, you are either allied with the ultra-religous or the seculars.

According to you and jfern, there is no such thing as centrism.  I beg to differ.  Go look at the voting electorate.  Most people want someone who is balanced, with views that partially complement both sides.  This is how Clinton got elected, and as the electorate swings further to the right.  It's the only way we can take the White House.

What have the "moderates" done in the last 5 years to stop the right-wing Bush agenda? Time to ditch the spineless "moderates". Daschle was the worst Democratic leader ever.

Pelosi, though she's in the House and not the Senate, is at least twice as bad as Daschle ever was.

[Virginian87]

Centrists and Moderates don't have any principles, you are either allied with the ultra-religous or the seculars.

According to you and jfern, there is no such thing as centrism.  I beg to differ.  Go look at the voting electorate.  Most people want someone who is balanced, with views that partially complement both sides.  This is how Clinton got elected, and as the electorate swings further to the right.  It's the only way we can take the White House.

What have the "moderates" done in the last 5 years to stop the right-wing Bush agenda? Time to ditch the spineless "moderates". Daschle was the worst Democratic leader ever.

Pelosi, though she's in the House and not the Senate, is at least twice as bad as Daschle ever was.

Agreed.  At least he tried to work with and get legislation passed.  All she does is stand there and make funny faces.

...and jump around and say, "I'm not REALLY a San Francisco liberal, I'm a moderate!"

[Virginian87]

...and jump around and say, "I'm not REALLY a San Francisco liberal, I'm a moderate!"

I'm really starting to doubt that you're a Democrat. You have nothing constructive to offer, and instead are telling the 63% of America that wants strong Democratic leaders to go  themselves.

What the hell is your problem?  Why do you persist in insulting me?  Just because I'm not a liberal, you automatically assume I'm not a Democrat.  I'm trying to stop the Democrats from losing election after election.  I'm not spineless.  I was against the War in Iraq, against No Child Left Behind, and against ANWR.  I wasn't really into CAFTA either.  Do you think I like these huge deficits?  Of course not!  But because I'm more conservative on social issues and because I'm religious you think I'm a closet Republican?  Because of people like you, we've lost Congress and have continued to lose the White House.  You better realize that not everybody in this party is like you.  It continues to appall me how ignorant you are about matters and the political culture of states outside California.  Come visit the South sometime, talk to people, and you'll see why we continue to lose.