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AtorBoltox
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« on: July 06, 2023, 08:30:00 PM »

For once I have to back up BTRD that this is actually a thing I’ve seen, although not on a large scale. I think there are a few reasons - the USSR was barely involved in the war against Japan, understating the evils of Japan makes the atomic bombings look worse and helps create the demonic image of the USA as a uniquely evil historical actor, and the simple fact that Japanese are not white and were fighting against ‘white supremacy’. I also suspect that impugning American motives for fighting Japan is part of some attempt to argue the USA was ‘ignoring’ the Nazis or actively supportive of them, and focused only on their ‘imperial’ sphere in the pacific which Japan threatened.
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AtorBoltox
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2023, 10:39:09 PM »

the simple fact that Japanese are not white and were fighting against ‘white supremacy’.

Which is a sick joke, considering Japanese racial attitudes, specifically toward the other Asian ethnicities and nationalities that they conquered.

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I also suspect that impugning American motives for fighting Japan is part of some attempt to argue the USA was ‘ignoring’ the Nazis or actively supportive of them, and focused only on their ‘imperial’ sphere in the pacific which Japan threatened.
While we're on the subject, I have never seen any evidence that anywhere close to a majority of Americans ever sympathized with the Nazis or Fascists.
American support for isolationism is also dramatically overstated. While Gallup opinion polls do show that most Americans opposed joining the war, they also show Americans overwhelmingly favoured proving material support to Great Britain, even if this would increase the chances of America becoming involved
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AtorBoltox
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2024, 11:12:52 PM »

I see some Brazilian Stalin fans in the Twitter. Nobody supports Imperial Japan.
This is largely an anglosphere thing:

1) White guilt in North America, the UK, and Australia
2) English-speaking Indians who hold favorable views of Imperial Japan because it fought the British Empire and supported Indian independence
2a) Weird misdirected anti-colonialism in other former British colonies

It doesn't surprise me that none of these would show up in the Portuguese-language Internet
I can also confirm this sentiment is nearly non-existent in Australia. It's largely disappeared now with the passing of the war generation but Australia was probably the least forgiving western ally. Our government pushed strongly for Hirohito to be put on trial and for a much harsher American occupation. As late as the 80s trade agreements and the closening of diplomatic relations with Japan was vociferously protested by veterans groups. Unlike America, Australia was not significantly  involved in the war in Europe (at least after 1941, we did fight in North Africa and Greece) so the collective memory of the conflict even still mostly focuses on the war against Japan. I remember being taught in school the (probably untrue) claim that Japan intended to invade and colonize Australia. As I said, anti-japanese sentiment today has mostly died out, but this is because most of us acknowledge the Japan of today is a very different country and not because of 'white guilt.' To the extent this sentiment exists it probably is found only in a handful of hyper-online tankies who copy wholesale the rhetoric of American woke twitter. 
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