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tjstarling
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« on: August 12, 2020, 12:08:20 PM »

I’m not getting too worked up over the 29% chance figure since the model is attempting to forecast 80+ days from now with a great deal of uncertainty. That figure doesn’t seem too unusual. However, Silver is always talking about model overfitting and the ad hoc choices of other empirical models but so many of his choices here seem so, shall we say, ad hoc. It almost feels like he think Trump’s chances are around 30% and he’s tried to build the model to output the results he has in his head.
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tjstarling
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2020, 06:59:16 AM »

I'd be inclined to agree if it weren't for the fact that this thread sounded exactly the same 4 years ago and then Silver was right and Atlas was wrong. Tongue
The thing is, Silver wasn’t right, he was just the least wrong. And he’s spent four years trying to hold that over everyone else. Given current data, some posters above seem to not understand the distinction between forecasting an event today versus forecasting/predicting the future state of the world. However, I can’t help but feel Silver is trying to cover his a** here a bit in order to claim that his model was best even if it actually misses the mark substantially by using the blackbox of “uncertainty.” In November, say he gives Biden a 3 in 4 chance to win and Biden wins a ‘08 style landslide, he can say “oh we got the winner right but the uncertainty worked out in Biden’s favor.” Or if Trump wins at just a 1 in 4 chance, he can say “the uncertainty went in Trump’s favor, and our model factored that in better than everyone else’s” even though his prediction was technically quite off the mark.
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