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« on: May 22, 2007, 08:51:12 AM »

Atleast it won't be a "won in advance" election!

Yes it is. The choices are Putin Clone v1 (Medvedev) and Putin Clone v2 (Ivanov).

I know that, I meant it won't be a 1-round election.

It's extremely unlikely that the top two would run simultaneously. One of them would be selected first.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2007, 02:34:07 AM »

Actually as for creating a stable authoritarian system this might be rather sound. Unlike Mexico's old system, which many considered to be the "perfect" one-party state, this allows for even more of an aura of competition but yet you still have the one-party aspect in place. This creating a faux dicotomy of policies has an intriguing effect from a political prospective and creating this "competitive" aspect within the United Russia one-party state may lead to a new Mexican system.

Well, nothing is new under the sun: this would be a variation on the 1960s-70s in Venezuela and Colombia.

You know, this is a hunch, but a very strong one: ain't happening.  The current  stability in Russia is oil-induced, and this has bought off the population, resulting in the regime being genuinely popular (see Venezuela). The government (unlike in Venezuela) has managed the abundance, to its credit, cautiously, and did create a huge rainy day fund, but there is absolutely no evidence that in the absence of the gold rush they'd be able to maintain the same level of control. 

In all the cases of "party regimes" I know of (Mexico being a classic example), the thing that induced them in the first place was an actual civil war, the fear of resumption of which induced both the elites and the societies at large to acquiesce to the regime. Russia hasn't had a real civil war in 85 years. Instead, the government  propaganda apparatus has manufactured a twofold threat: the "color revolutions" of the Ukrainian sort and the "foreign meddling, designed to weaken Russia". To the extent that Ukraine remains peaceful and reasonably successful, the former only remains an active source of fear in combination with the latter: "vile westerners, using the stupid locals to impose an anti-national regime" and the rest of the bull.  Still, the "threat" of democracy seems to be less of a potent fource than the threat of a civil war.

None of this matters with high oil prices - nothing matters with high oil prices (unless the local institutions are Nigeria-like or worse).  But the moment oil bonanza falls off, it's not clear that the fears  they are so industriously belaboring to create would hold.

In any case, as there is no evidence (yet?) that both Medvedev and Ivanov are going to stand in the same election.  The two (actually, now three or four - they've just added a fake "democratic" party called "Civic Force" to the newish fake "sociallist" "Just Russia", the old fake "faschist" "Liberal  Democratic Party of Russia"  and the core government party "United Russia" ) "government" parties are going to create some illusion of the fight, but their success is untested, both as far as creating the illusion (most of the time they look for what they are: poorly made fakes) and not slipping into the real:  in two of the recent local elections the "Just Russia" outpolled the 'United Russia"  and in both cases the events came close to actual violence. Under the cicrumstances, it would not be too smart to let the activists actually campaign for the two front-runners for succession: actual partisan affiliations might emerge.  Furthermore, Medvedev and Ivanov represent very different groups inside the government: no way they  are going to let the voters to decide which of the two groups takes power.  BTW, knowing a bit about M. Ivanov, if he decides that he should be the next boss, and I were, possibly in his way, I'd run - not for office, but out of the country  that is (or else, my life expectancy would likely be expressed in months, not years).
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 09:59:57 AM »

As there are no real presidential (or other) elections planned in Russia for the forseeble future, I suggest moving this in to the Atlas phantasy forum.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2008, 09:07:13 PM »

Guys, relax. There isn't an election in Russia scheduled for this year (or for any time soon).
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2008, 07:40:33 PM »

The guy on the left is a Mason. Seriously. I guess, they needed someone to represent a Jewish-Mason conspiracy Smiley

Actually, the DP is an old group, dating back to the early democratic elections. Back then it was somewhat respectable, if minor. It has been all but defunct, but still a legally functioning shell.  They took it over and got some joker nominated on its line as an ostensible "democrat". Not clear why they bothered: if they didn't, their refusal to register more respectable, if still unlikely, candidates on various grounds would have looked more plausible (Bogdanov's "getting" the requisite signatures is a butt of many jokes).
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2008, 01:13:14 AM »

The "guy on the left" makes cold pizza look hot in comparison. Aside from having the appearance of a surgically desnouted crocodile and ideological views of a senile dinosaur, he immediately gives the impression of what he actually is: someone too dim to make a decent carreer even in the old Soviet Communist Party.  He wound up the head of the party almost by default, when nobody wanted it post-collapse, and has been kept around for lack of better alternatives. His only known skill is in pushing those smarter and/or more charismatic than himself (that means, nearly everyone) out of the party leadership. He's been quite useful for the powers that be at the head of the Commies though: as long as he is around, Commies will continue shrinking into insignifficance.

Granted, if I were dragged to the polls by force and threatened into casting a valid vote, I'd, probably, vote for him this time.  But casting a vote in this parody of an election would be too distasteful to be done, unless forced to.
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