Massive FF cashier in Virginia

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They should have been served, of course - that is the law. But the employee in question has every sympathy from me for saying what she thinks - at the cost of her employment. Since this is the large company, obviously, being rude was out of line. Had it been a small private business, the owner would still have had to serve them, but would have had every right to be rude verbally.

Now, imagine what is going to be happening in downtown Cleveland during the RNC. I mean, finding an uncontroversial lunch may become a problem for the delegates.

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This BS just feeds Trump supporters' sense of martyrdom and results in one more unemployed idiot on the dole. How many times does this need to happen? Remember the Chipotle employees who refused to serve cops?

Well, Trump campaign is all about abolishing civility in political discourse. So, I would say, 300,000,000 times may be about the right number of times for this to happen between now and November.

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Is this anything but
1) extremely hypocritical, unempathetic, and "intolerant" and
2) not at all productive for building bridges to create a more thoughtful, brotherly, understanding world where people have respect and tolerance for those with differences of opinion (i.e., a world where Trump-like rhetoric holds no sway)?

It is most definitely intolerant and unempathetic. Considering that Trump's entire campaign has been about blowing up bridges and treating people with disrespect and intolerance, there is no reason to expect that the opposing side would not be joining the game.

Of course, your entire comment is going to be filed under the rubric of "extremely hypocritical"

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Do we want the world to just devolve into us-vs-them conflict where no one has any empathy to understand where other people are coming from

It has devolved into precisely that - as a direct consequence of Trump campaign. In Russia they have a saying that, roughly, translates as "you should not cry about your haircut after a beheading". You are too late to be crying about civility in discourse. It will take decades to reestablish now.

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It may be hard for you to believe, but there was a time when people who supported different candidates, and indeed different political ideologies, to get along with one another.

Well, yeah, it is a pity that Trumpists have decided those were the bad days of political correctness. Now, with pc gone, gloves are off.

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Do we want the world to just devolve into us-vs-them conflict where no one has any empathy to understand where other people are coming from

It has devolved into precisely that - as a direct consequence of Trump campaign. In Russia they have a saying that, roughly, translates as "you should not cry about your haircut after a beheading". You are too late to be crying about civility in discourse. It will take decades to reestablish now.

I'm not sure if I'm necessarily crying about civility in discourse.  I want discourse that is productive and brotherly, if sometimes heated. 

Well, we would, probably, need to wait till the last of us, who have seen Donald Trump in action die. Perhaps, in another 60 or 70 years, perhaps...

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This BS just feeds Trump supporters' sense of martyrdom and results in one more unemployed idiot on the dole. How many times does this need to happen? Remember the Chipotle employees who refused to serve cops?

Well, Trump campaign is all about abolishing civility in political discourse. So, I would say, 300,000,000 times may be about the right number of times for this to happen between now and November.

That's going to be a whole lot of unemployed dumbasses.

Sure. Trumpism will result in lots of changes. For instance, since, in the future, you may pretty much assume that somebody is pissing on your hamburger for political reasons, all sorts of eateries will close down: which customer would like to have urine with his or her meat. In our age of burger-pissing restaurants will go out of fashion, which will, no doubt decrease employment. What a way to make America great!

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What you do in these situations is spit in their food without them knowing. That would have been the appropriate response.

Piss on their food, not spit on their food. Spit is insufficiently pungent. Piss would be appropriate.

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Generally speaking, business-owners are going to not throw their livelihoods under the bus over ideological hysteria.

Historically, we have ample evidence to the contrary.

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In any case, you will find that as your professional life becomes more complicated, you will have to rub elbows with people who might not share your political affiliations.  You will have to learn that it is not normal, not healthy, and not productive, to cheer on those who mistreat them.  The sooner you can learn that, the happier and more satisfied you will be.

I think you are mistaken about the future. You have grown of age in the pristine idealistic pre-Trump age, when pissing on your neighbor's burger would have been considered an unseemly behavior. Well, that is history now. Trump has seen to that. Instead of Pepsi and Coke we are sentenced to finish off the rest of our meals, till the day we die, with the choice piss of our enemies. This is the new norm: if you are not pissing into your neighbor´s food, you are merely a fool, stuck in the olden age of chivalry. Get used to the taste - you will not have a chance to taste food not reeking of urine again, in any case.

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What you do in these situations is spit in their food without them knowing. That would have been the appropriate response.

This is disgusting ! Why would you even say this ?

He is, actually, being overly polite, in this brave new burger-pissing age of ours.

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I don't support discrimination like that, but at the same time I don't feel a lot of sympathy given who they are supporting. They give that bigot a free pass on whatever discriminatory policies he proposes, or whatever racist sh**t he says, then go and complain when they experience a little discrimination and mockery. Things they so willingly overlooked or even downright supported when it came from Trump.

So, sure, they should be served either way, but they are still giant hypocrites.

The Supreme Court, in Katzenbach v. McClung, ruled that public accomodations could not discriminate on the basis of race, color, etc.  I've long ago recognized that my rights are inextricably tied up with the rights of folks I may consider to be outright scumbags.  The hypocrites in this day and age are, for the most part, the liberals who are about "Free Speech for me, but not for thee."

People have to be served: no question of that. But people also have to be rude to each other: this is the new Constitution of the United States.

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It should be legal to refuse service for any reason. However, doing so in most cases is something only a HP would do.

Naturally, refusing service to a Trumpist is illegal - and should be illegal. But, had it been legal, refusing Trumpist service would have been an act of civic duty.

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It should be legal to refuse service for any reason. However, doing so in most cases is something only a HP would do.

Naturally, refusing service to a Trumpist is illegal - and should be illegal. But, had it been legal, refusing Trumpist service would have been an act of civic duty.

As long as you don't assert that you are a tolerant individual, you will have some credibility left.

I am, most definitely, a highly intolerant individual. Liberalism, in my book, implies opposing any restriction on individual political expression, but not approving or tolerating any political expression. If a government were to prohibit Trumpists, Nazis, Commies or anybody similarly repugnant from exercising their political rights (including the rights of free speach) I would, unquestionably, be outraged. But, in my book, every decent individual has an individual civic duty to tell Trumpists, Nazis and Commies that he views them with highest degree of disgust.

Personally, what I would do if I were a restaurant owner next to the Cleveland convention site, is to post a large sign stating that a fixed proportion of the cost of every meal shall be donated, in the name of the customer, to a PAC dedicated to stopping the country from falling into the clutches of the subhuman son of a mammalian female called Donald Trump. The sign would also say that every customer, by patronising the business, agrees that the mother of every Trump supporter is a bitch.

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ag,
Who "put the quarter (coin) in you" tonight?

Donald J. Trump.

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ag,
Who "put the quarter (coin) in you" tonight?

Donald J. Trump.

LOL.
Nuf said. (Good answer)

My rampage is NOT over, though.

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ag,
Who "put the quarter (coin) in you" tonight?

Donald J. Trump.

LOL.
Nuf said. (Good answer)

My rampage is NOT over, though.

I have no doubt of this.
;-)

I will go on till everybody around here has the taste of urine on their lips.

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lol @ this thread

I am, actually, crying out in despair.

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Honestly, it could have been worst. There are a lot of servers out there who would have done something more subtle, like spitting in the customer's food. Not serving them is the least of what they could have done.

How many times do I have to repeat in this thread? The proper response is pissing into food, not spitting.

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What you do in these situations is spit in their food without them knowing. That would have been the appropriate response.

This is disgusting ! Why would you even say this ?

Because liberals can hate at the same levels as conservatives.

Sure. I, for one, enjoy hating you

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What you do in these situations is spit in their food without them knowing. That would have been the appropriate response.

This is disgusting ! Why would you even say this ?

Because liberals can hate at the same levels as conservatives.

Sure. I, for one, enjoy hating you

Jesus instructed his believers:  "Love your enemies."

 I am a Jewish atheist

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What you do in these situations is spit in their food without them knowing. That would have been the appropriate response.

This is disgusting ! Why would you even say this ?

Because liberals can hate at the same levels as conservatives.

Sure. I, for one, enjoy hating you

Jesus instructed his believers:  "Love your enemies."

 I am a Jewish atheist

Jesus also said "Love thy neighbor as thyself."  That's incumbent on me, regardless of whether or not it's incumbent on you.

It would have been highly offensive if you, indeed, loved me However, Since I do not believe you are capable of love, or even know what it is, I am not concerned Whenever you try to immitate love, you can only produce hate.  Irrespective of your views about the teachings of some ancient yeshiva dropout

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This thread is just another reason November can't come soon enough.  Probably the worst part of politics is how much differences of opinion can make people hate one another - sometimes makes me think humans really aren't ready for democracy.

This is not just going to be there till November. This is how it will be for the foreseeable future. Trump has sentenced all of us to take piss with our burgers.

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Why? it contributes more with all it's flaws than locking it.

How?  Other than spoiling lunch?

Do not talk about politics at lunch. It will always be spoiled.

I have a very serious point here. Trump has changed American politics in a very certain way, for a very long long time. Sorry, if you do not like the taste and the smell.

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What you do in these situations is spit in their food without them knowing. That would have been the appropriate response.

This is disgusting ! Why would you even say this ?

Because liberals can hate at the same levels as conservatives.

Sure. I, for one, enjoy hating you

Jesus instructed his believers:  "Love your enemies."

 I am a Jewish atheist

Jesus also said "Love thy neighbor as thyself."  That's incumbent on me, regardless of whether or not it's incumbent on you.

It would have been highly offensive if you, indeed, loved me However, Since I do not believe you are capable of love, or even know what it is, I am not concerned Whenever you try to immitate love, you can only produce hate.  Irrespective of your views about the teachings of some ancient yeshiva dropout

Who are you to say whether someone you barely know is capable of love and who isn't?   

No person capable of love would ever have a good word to say about Donald Trump. By definition, any feeling of a Trump supporter is hate.