OpEd: This is how fascism comes to America

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Vanilla Nationalism aligned with the conservative movement is not Fascism.  We used to have nationalist planks in both parties in this country, Harry Truman wasn't a Fascist, but you would call him one today.  Pursuing The nations interest BEFORE the interests of others isn't Fascism, it's common sense based on logic and reason.        

Don't touch Harry Truman with your dirty hands. Harry Truman is the guy who gave us UN, NATO, Marshall Plan, etc., etc. He was the first US president who came to Mexico City and paid homage to the victims of American invasion in 1847 (just so that you know).



He was the guy who knew that America's interests involve cooperation with the rest of the world.

Trump does not have America's interests in mind: he does not know what these are and he does not care to learn. What he cares about is his own ego. He is willing to destroy America and the world to satisfy it.

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My point is that nationalism is mainstream and always was represented by both parties to some extent, until dems started going nuts in 68 and Republican elites went ultra-internationalist on a few issues more recently.  

People seem to be dense about "cooperation".  It isn't a goal in itself.  You build partnerships when it makes sense and you don't when it doesn't.  You don't "cooperate" when it harms you severely.  Apparently that is a Fascist doctrine that Truman and FDR subscribed to and is now horrifying.                

You invent a straw man. Nobody in US politics has ever objected to puting US interests first, and no prominent US politician has every done anything else. If any US presidential candidate has ever acted against US interests, it is Donald Trump. In fact, the only nationalist candidate in this race in the sense of Truman/FDR/Eisenhower/Reagan/Bush/Kennedy, you name it, is Hillary Clinton.

The choice in this election is very clear. If you care about the United States of America, you vote Hillary Clinton. If you want to destroy America and its way of life, you vote Donald Trump. As simple as that.

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If Americans want to elect a facist President, then so be it. We need to learn our lesson.

One thing is for certain.  If we elect Trump, we deserve whatever happens.

If you elect Trump, you deserve whatever. But we are innocent!

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If Americans want to elect a facist President, then so be it. We need to learn our lesson.

One thing is for certain.  If we elect Trump, we deserve whatever happens.

If you elect Trump, you deserve whatever. But we are innocent!

NO. If America goes down we're taking the rest of the world with us, or at least Mexico.

Oh, yeah, innocence is not a defense. We will be screwed horribly, I have no doubts of that whatsoever. Really, if Trump is elected I am building a bunker somewhere in the mountains to survive the next decade. BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO MADE IT HAPPEN!!!

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If Americans want to elect a facist President, then so be it. We need to learn our lesson.

One thing is for certain.  If we elect Trump, we deserve whatever happens.

If you elect Trump, you deserve whatever. But we are innocent!

NO. If America goes down we're taking the rest of the world with us, or at least Mexico.

Oh, yeah, innocence is not a defense. We will be screwed horribly, I have no doubts of that whatsoever. Really, if Trump is elected I am building a bunker somewhere in the mountains to survive the next decade. BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO MADE IT HAPPEN!!!

If Mexico had bothered to control their borders at all for the last 50 years Trump would not be where he is today.

No. You are, pretty much, flat out wrong in every way imaginable.

"Controling the borders" is like controling the sea: if the water levels are very different, water will flow no matter what you do. And here the difference is dramatic, so controling it is pretty much impossible. In any case, a Mexican government that would have "controlled the borders" (or, at least, gave it a decent try) would have been a nasty and brutal dictatorship, which, by itself, would have only generated larger migration flows than what you see today. Finally, even if there had been no Mexican migrants whatsoever (which, by the way, would have implied lower standards of living for most Americans), Trump would have found something equally ridiculous to base his campaign on.

You know, there is an old joke about that old Armenian guy dying. So, he calls up his family and tells them: "listen to my last command: take care of the Jews." So, everybody is surprized: they guy himself had never shown much concern about the Jews in his life. "Why the Jews, grandpa?" asks one of them. "When they are done with the Jews, they will switch on to us" responds the old guy. Fascism does not need Jews or Mexicans: it only needs some identifiable group to resent. Blacks would have served the need admirably, methinks.

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Trump does not have America's interests in mind: he does not know what these are and he does not care to learn. What he cares about is his own ego. He is willing to destroy America and the world to satisfy it.

I really like this quote. Do you mind if I put it in my signature?

Be my guest

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If Americans want to elect a facist President, then so be it. We need to learn our lesson.

One thing is for certain.  If we elect Trump, we deserve whatever happens.

If you elect Trump, you deserve whatever. But we are innocent!

NO. If America goes down we're taking the rest of the world with us, or at least Mexico.

Oh, yeah, innocence is not a defense. We will be screwed horribly, I have no doubts of that whatsoever. Really, if Trump is elected I am building a bunker somewhere in the mountains to survive the next decade. BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO MADE IT HAPPEN!!!

If Mexico had bothered to control their borders at all for the last 50 years Trump would not be where he is today.

If Mexico had learned to control their violence and corruption, illegal immigration would not be a problem and Trump would have found some other issue to stoke his candidacy.

One should not forget that substantial part of Mexico's violence and corruption is a direct consequence of US policies, such as the "war on drugs". We are all interdependenet, whether we like it or not.

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NO. If America goes down we're taking the rest of the world with us, or at least Mexico.

that's why they are going to pay for the wall......

The question is: movement in which direction it will be blocking.