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« on: August 16, 2015, 06:44:56 PM »
« edited: August 16, 2015, 06:49:30 PM by ag »

Nasty.

I think we should then start by abolishing visa requirements for citizens of China and India and promoting the Asian flight hub in Tijuana. Marketing  Puerto Peņasco as a resort town for the Middle Eastern travelers would also be helpful.

We could also, of course, correct the WWII wrong and announce that Europe should send the refugees that reach its shores for temporary resettlement in the states of Chihuahua and Tamaulipas.
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 01:34:04 PM »

Ok well you could just read the linked article, where it gives specifics:

"Trump also explained how he would force the Mexican government to bankroll a wall along the southern border.

If Mexico refuses to pay for the wall, a Trump administration would begin charging additional fees to Mexicans who come into the U.S. on visas or with border crossing cars -- particularly for visas to "Mexican CEOs and diplomats," which Trump would cancel "if necessary." Trump's plan also calls for possible tariffs and foreign aid cuts and would seize "all remittance payments derived from illegal wages.""

Good proposal.


I hope you guys know that Mexicans have visa-free access to Europe (both Schengen and UK), Japan, etc., etc. The paying Mexican public would go to Madrid and Paris, if coming to the US is expensive/humiliating.  It is only business contacts that really depend on travels to the US (rather than, say, France): and these, most definitely, are of mutual benefit, and cutting those would be pretty damn costly to the US - rather than paying for the wall, these measures would have to be paid for themselves.

As for remittance payments, it would be hard to cut them without hurting commercial transactions: once again, this is the sort of the measure that would need to be financed, rather than collect much money. If remittances are truly affected, this would, basically, further encourage current migrants settling in the US (instead of sending the money to Mexico, they will be moving families to the US). As it is, the migrant population has had its ties to Mexico weakened - they are now a lot more US-oriented, and, hence, a lot harder to persuade to migrate back. This would make getting rid of those 11 mln he wants to get rid of harder, not easier.

Finally, US foreign aid to Mexico is largely directed towards things like the war on drugs. Frankly, if US cuts it, and the other  measures Trump is proposing are adopted, it is hard to see why Mexico should continue playing along with that idiocy at all.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 10:23:46 PM »
« Edited: August 17, 2015, 10:28:28 PM by ag »


Some one who comes here illegally and then sends our money out of this nation is doing us NO good....

Well, now that my comment was deleted (deservedly, of course), let me really let loose.

The people who come to the US illegally to work earn their money by hard work. Harder work than nearly all of us here can imagine. They work night and day, frequently multiple full-time jobs at the same time, barely finding a moment to sleep. They do the jobs nobody wants to do. Hard field agriculture (getting you the oranges you have for the juice at breakfast). Restaurants, washing dishes (so that you can afford, actually, going to a restaurant). And, yes, they are the ones wiping your grandparents' dirty bottoms in those nursing homes, while you guys are posting the comments like this.  

I've been there, in American rehabs/nursing homes. My grandpa was, actually, a US citizen and lived in the US. He was the sort of a guy who would not use an elevator until late into his 80s... But, then, old age caught up and every few months he would find himself in a hospital, followed by a rehab. I would fly from Mexico to be nearby. And, guess, who was there, working the dirtiest jobs for him? (I am a Mexican and I speak Spanish, I know).

And then, when it came to a choice between permanent nursing home and leaving the US to be with the family, he went back to Russia. And you know what made it possible for him to die in his own bed? Of course, an illegal Moldavian nurse, who was at his side day and night for two whole years.

Now, most of you, guys, will not have a family to come back to in Moscow - or in Mexico. And if you think that your children will be able to afford a 24-hour legal nursing help at home (or, else, would be willing to stop working to care for you), you may be a tad overoptimistic. So, yeah, pray you do not have to be placed in a nursing home. And, if you are in a nursing home, pray that home is willing to be less than stellar in using the e-verify. Because otherwise you may be in for some very unpleasant surprises.

They do YOU no good, my ass.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 10:48:42 PM »
« Edited: August 17, 2015, 10:51:29 PM by ag »


Some one who comes here illegally and then sends our money out of this nation is doing us NO good....
The people who come to the US illegally to work earn their money by hard work. Harder work than nearly all of us here can imagine. They work night and day, frequently multiple full-time jobs at the same time, barely finding a moment to sleep. They do the jobs nobody wants to do. Hard field agriculture (getting you the oranges you have for the juice at breakfast). Restaurants, washing dishes (so that you can afford, actually, going to a restaurant). And, yes, they are the ones wiping your grandparents' dirty bottoms in those nursing homes, while you guys are posting the comments like this.
Illegal immigrants are not evenly distributed. Are you really going to claim that nursing homes in Vermont do not provide adequate care, or people in Kentucky can't afford to eat out, or have to eat from dirty dishes?

My grandpa did not live in Vermont, but you are not TOO badly mistaken. Actually, surprisingly close.

Migrants, like others, go where there is a labor shortage. I am afraid, one reason they might not be working too much in Kentucky restaurants is because a lot of people in Kentucky cannot afford going to a restaurant.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2015, 10:56:32 PM »

And, of course, I have no clue how Texans would survive without Mexicans at all. In my experience, there is a very clear negative selection operating on those Anglos who choose to live in places like Dallas. Fortunately, it does not operate among the Hispanics. Frankly, when in Texas, I strongly prefer to ask for things like directions from people who do not speak English: one can actually get a sensible answer from them. Most Anglo hotel, etc. staff there usually seems borderline retarded.
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2015, 11:00:27 PM »

Anyway, I guess it is clear now what made me explode.
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