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« on: February 21, 2015, 12:48:25 PM »

They are preparing for cancellation of the National Assembly elections later this year. Given Maduro's unpopularity and the ongoing economic collapse, the scale of fraud necessary to declare victory would be staggering. So, they have to either cancel the elections or ban all viable opposition candidates from standing.
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2015, 04:05:50 PM »

Hopefully the White House is involved in the plotting of coup attempts.

Even if you support the coup attempts, why would you actively hope a foreign power is involved?

Maybe he wants the coup attempts to fail.

My only explanation, in fact.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2015, 04:07:50 PM »

Let's wait for the Jacobin's take on this before we prematurely condemn Maduro.

I do not think at this point it is possible to condemn Maduro prematurely.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2015, 06:43:03 PM »

Hopefully the White House is involved in the plotting of coup attempts.

Even if you support the coup attempts, why would you actively hope a foreign power is involved?

Maybe he wants the coup attempts to fail.

My only explanation, in fact.

Fine -- I hope the White House is ready to provide whatever aid the coup plotters want. If they think the best way to go is without clandestine North American support, then more power to them. The key point is for Maduro and the entire Bolivarian elite to go, as soon as possible, using whatever methods will work.

There are no coup plotters. A coup, in this case, means military, and the military has been both purged and (the rest of it) bought (the regime is spending whatever it has left on this). There may be a popular revolt at some point, but I am pretty sure it will not be either pre-planned or well-organized.

In any case, supporting a military coup in Latin America (or elsewhere) is not a very smart thing - either for the US government, or  for anybody else. The military rarely, if ever, makes even indifferent rulers.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2015, 06:45:47 PM »

A American supported coup in Latin America have as much support from the general public as Russian ones in the Eastern Europe. So congratulation if Obama followed your suggestion, we could look forward to a decade with Maduro.

In addition, at this point there is nobody capable of a coup, in any case. The opposition politicians are in no position to organize anything that could be called a coup - no guns, no power, no nothing. If the popular revolt happens (which is increasingly likely), it is going to look very different.

The most likely coup in Venezuela would be, say, Diosdado Cabello overthrowing Maduro. I do not believe the US would be happy supporting that.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2015, 11:48:35 PM »

A American supported coup in Latin America have as much support from the general public as Russian ones in the Eastern Europe. So congratulation if Obama followed your suggestion, we could look forward to a decade with Maduro.

If the coup plotters restore democracy after the coup (probably the best possible result), I highly doubt the Venezuelan people will cut off their nose to spite their face by voting for Maduro.

Such coup plotters could only exist in Venezuelan military. Do you really think it is likely that, at this point, there is anybody in Venezuelan military who "would restore democracy"?
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2015, 11:50:22 PM »

A American supported coup in Latin America have as much support from the general public as Russian ones in the Eastern Europe. So congratulation if Obama followed your suggestion, we could look forward to a decade with Maduro.

If the coup plotters restore democracy after the coup (probably the best possible result), I highly doubt the Venezuelan people will cut off their nose to spite their face by voting for Maduro.

There is nobody within the Venezuelan system who would be capable of pulling off a coup, as such, against Maduro; thus, any attempt at doing so would be crushed, and probably provide Maduro a decade's worth of propaganda fodder.

There are many in Venezuelan system who could do a coup against Maduro. My prime suspect would be Diosdado Cabello. The only problem is, both he and anybody else who could do this, would not at all help either the opposition or democracy.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2015, 01:03:59 PM »

People like Vosem are the reason Chavez came to power and was repeatedly reelected and succeeded by Maduro.

Exactly.

Alas, but true.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2015, 01:04:56 PM »

People like Vosem are the reason Chavez came to power and was repeatedly reelected and succeeded by Maduro.
And thank for people like Vosem, because they'll use their resources and talents to overthrow people like Chavez and Maduro Wink.

You mean, they have resources and talents?
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2015, 04:41:05 PM »

People like Vosem are the reason Chavez came to power and was repeatedly reelected and succeeded by Maduro.
And thank for people like Vosem, because they'll use their resources and talents to overthrow people like Chavez and Maduro Wink.

You mean, they have resources and talents?

The sad thing is, my friends, I don't know if people like myself still have resources in Venezuela. We had better hope so.

As a commited opponent of the "Bolivarian" regime, I sincerely hope people like yourself do not exist in Venezuela Smiley
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