SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[new_patomic]

The "rest of the world" framing is interesting but seems kind of risky given most Americans generically were 'okay' with Roe even if not on the specifics.

[new_patomic]

While I do not agree with this, 15 weeks is not a "ban". That's 1 week shy of 4 months. That falls in like with the majority of Americans. Most americans do not support late term abortion. Your making it sounds like Graham is trying to present an Alabama, or even Texas (6 week limit) abortion laws.

The bill pretty much eliminates the  message Republicans were pushing of "leave it to the States to decide" though.

Unless the state has totally banned abortion, in which those states can keep some rights.

[new_patomic]

A 15-week abortion ban is extremely unpopular.

I actually genuinely hadn't realized how much Dobbs had tanked support for it. Jesus.

[new_patomic]

https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/1570173001303212035?s=20&t=lMSiLiEqfzR...

I want to say punishing doctors has traditionally polled in the absolute gutter, even compared to those who support 15-week bans or identify as pro-life.

[new_patomic]

I used to be one of those people who would say "bUt iF yOUrE PRo_LiFe YoU CanT BE In faVOr of ExEmpTiONs" but honestly.... meh.

Sure, for the people who literally think it's murder, that's awkward. But most don't actually ascribe to that (or don't mean it) and there are a ton of issues where people aren't pretending to be Greek philosophers sitting around pondering the extremest extent of every position. Most people unironically aligned with Roe's understanding of how this should work. The woman has a legitimate interest in bodily autonomy, and the state has a legitimate interest in protecting both the health of the mother and the fetus, and at some point one overtakes the other.

Which is why whenever people bring up "late-term" abortions the usual liberal answer is that these already aren't permitted except in absolutely horrific circumstances where absolutely necessary, not that actually we're philosophically okay with all abortion being legal up until the 40th week.

[new_patomic]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1572205319534649344

He literally said that, huh