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Question: Who would you vote for/who would win? Goldwater (O-CA) vs. Laki (I-BE)
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Author Topic: Goldwater (O-CA) vs. Laki (I-BE)  (Read 1052 times)
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« on: January 07, 2024, 10:36:54 PM »
« edited: January 07, 2024, 10:43:47 PM by Laki »

I'll admit that Goldwater IRL would win in a landslide (in the US). That's not even up for debate. I'm however not very familiar with Goldwaters ideology, so if someone can explain that would be helpful. The name seems misleading.

And yeah i'm a very bad fit for America. I can't think of many match-ups would win. Even dudes as David Duke probably would defeat me (and i'm not the type who would say America would vote for him quickly).
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LAKISYLVANIA
Lakigigar
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2024, 10:49:32 PM »

I'll admit that Goldwater IRL would win in a landslide (in the US). That's not even up for debate. I'm however not very familiar with Goldwaters ideology, so if someone can explain that would be helpful. The name seems misleading.

Well, I have both of these quotes in my signature because I think they are both pretty accurate descriptions of me:
The result of a neocon and libertarian having a baby while drunk, and leaving it to be raised by hippie liberal wolves.
Muscular liberalism, but of a type where both terms have been taken (mostly) to their logical conclusion. Individual freedom in the social and economic spheres coupled with a will to assert this belief internationally. In effect, a Jacobin.

I don't really think my username is misleading, since Barry Goldwater himself was very liberal/libertarian on social issues, although I will admit that I am probably overall not quite as right wing as he was.

I have a hard time nailing/understanding your ideology. The quotes in the signature don't really help given it's a weird mix of several ideologies and i don't recall a lot of posts from you that 'stand out" or that I remember being a clear indicator of what you believe in and who you are.

Which is good it means i haven't noticed very controversial stuff too.
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Lakigigar
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2024, 11:10:46 PM »

I'll admit that Goldwater IRL would win in a landslide (in the US). That's not even up for debate. I'm however not very familiar with Goldwaters ideology, so if someone can explain that would be helpful. The name seems misleading.

Well, I have both of these quotes in my signature because I think they are both pretty accurate descriptions of me:
The result of a neocon and libertarian having a baby while drunk, and leaving it to be raised by hippie liberal wolves.
Muscular liberalism, but of a type where both terms have been taken (mostly) to their logical conclusion. Individual freedom in the social and economic spheres coupled with a will to assert this belief internationally. In effect, a Jacobin.

I don't really think my username is misleading, since Barry Goldwater himself was very liberal/libertarian on social issues, although I will admit that I am probably overall not quite as right wing as he was.

I have a hard time nailing/understanding your ideology. The quotes in the signature don't really help given it's a weird mix of several ideologies and i don't recall a lot of posts from you that 'stand out" or that I remember being a clear indicator of what you believe in and who you are.

Which is good it means i haven't noticed very controversial stuff too.

Fair enough. I suppose I don't make a whole lot of posts where I really go in depth with my beliefs. Tongue

I'm not really sure how to describe my ideology in terms that are both simple yet specific enough to accurately convey my thoughts. In general, my core motivation is based around the classically liberal/American libertarian definitions of individual liberty, but there are some instances where I think that the state and use of force is necessary to ensure those freedoms, when leads me to conclusions on certain issues that resemble something closer to social liberalism or neoconservatism than strict doctrine libertarianism.

I have no idea if what I just wrote actually made any sense. Tongue

Okay fair

I consider social liberalism and neocon very different things though (though arguably it describes a lot of modern politicians)

I think overall given i had a hard time pointing you to a certain ideologist that I saw you as "atypical centrist", maybe. If you'd say something very controversial i would've remembered. To be fair, i'm probably less critical of someone with a username "Goldwater" than with a red avatar because I would expect more from a D-aligned user. But you seem allright (with probably the same things i disagree on with blue dogs/libertarians/centrists on the forum with you).
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LAKISYLVANIA
Lakigigar
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2024, 11:26:02 PM »
« Edited: January 07, 2024, 11:37:48 PM by Laki »

I'll say though i behave more as an activist on the forum which is bound to sometimes piss people off and am definitely not the most tactful here. Some people here behave more like they're elected politicians. I think part of it is also because i'm not directly affected by US politics, the only way i might be affected... is well foreign politics, often the most controversial stuff since on domestic politics i probably would be mainstream progressive Democrat like most here are.

The only three reasons i'm controversial here is either 1. Israel / Palestine (or controversial foreign policy takes that question the western-centric POV) or 2. "i prefer X over Y" posts because i'm purist (or occassionally admittely out of spite) and 3. because i take no shame in using the socialist / communist definitions (controversial words in USA, less so in my area) while it's essentially the same as democratic socialist

Sole three reasons.

Obv i'm aware of that, and 3 would not happen if i ever ran in USA. I think ideologically i'm closest to Greta Thunberg (or prog types like Tlaib/Corbyn/Niou etc). But if actually in an important position i would tone down/moderate some views into a more pragmatic sense because i'm aware that an elected politician cannot change everything, esp. in a democracy. Which can be an issue sometimes for instance on environment where action is necessary and pragmatism... might not be enough to prevent big issues later on. Long term views are an issue in democracies since you're concerned about the short term given a term doesn't last long, you're subject to the electorate and there's little you can do / little power you can use. And social media and more access to information sources incl. less qualitative ones such as fake ones has only made that complex. You really need to pay attention to the sources, such as average twitter account

Human brain also has issues with long term processing information because well life doesn't last long and historically the now and than matters the most if i need of survival. Who cares about the wellbeing of beings hundred-fifty years in the future, i would not be around. Simply said, our brains aren't made to deal with that and it shows. It's also why despite humans definitely are responsible for megafauna extinction (or most) that very few intentionally happened, and that I don't really blame "people" directly, because... well. It just shows that we really need to develop this more (and in a grand scale of things, we've never done it better than now, but still have so much work to do). We at least have conservation efforts today, that wasn't the case 100 years ago and before. So we do learn in that regard, but very slowly (and perhaps not fast enough).

And the environment/climate is the issue i care the most about and feel the most informed about too.
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