SR 114-16: Pay-Go Resolution (Passed)

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Seconding that motion.

I don't support this.

And honestly it's inappropriaye for outsiders of US politics IRL. This is a game after all... . I don't know any federal department in the game, neither is there any transparency in the budgets (or UI friendliness).

Atlasia has plenty of budget anyways.

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Maybe ive been a bit harsh but it makes the game too complex, would require rearranging budgets every 2 months to allow every session its influence, would set up departments allocating budgets and in light of the recent proposal getting rid of some departments, changing names or the intention of their operation also worries me.

You would need a sticky budget & department & budget & finances thread to increase transparency and that would have to be updated frequently.

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Aye

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Changing to Nay

Spiral makes a good point.

Apologies to NCY, i should have never supported the motion to table, there's no reason to table this. I don't agree with the act, i'll vote against it, but i don't know why I supported the motion to table, that was wrong.

At the least it delays debating and the final vote, which means that there won't be a senator who will push for a motion to a final vote too soon before any debate has been done (by delaying the debate).

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Nay

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If we do this, at least let us know what "departments" exist, since for me that's harder to know. And by changing departments as in a previous act, it has even been more confusing, in particular since Labor department was removed.

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Motioning to suspend the rules per Article 10.

As deputy PPT, the 24 hours to object period starts now.

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Objection heard. A vote is now open lasting 72 hours. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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Abstain

I don't support the act.

But I think this is one of the least controversial uses of the proxy votes cause Yankee was the sponsor of the act.

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The vote to suspend the rules is closed and with a result of 5-0-2-11 fails to pass.

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By a vote of 5-5-1-7 Resolution tied and the Vice Prssident shall decide the outcome.

I will inform the Vice President

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I'm sorry, I'm a little lost here. I am voting on the final bill, correct?

Could someone please explain how this bill would make it easier to serve as one of our gracious Atlasian budget czars? I am just curious since I don't know exactly how the process works, or how this would help.

That isn't clear to me either.

And then there's the other part on my mind. Since, again, I am a budget novice, isn't "pay-go" usually seen as a conservative ideological thing to prevent over spending? I ask because I don't see any language in the resolution about making up spending/revenue with budget cuts or tax revenue increases or whatever.

I can't answer this either.

And finally, it looks like Yankee was not able to vote in time...? Or am I understanding the previous posts wrong? I am partially inclined to vote with his opinion just to restore what would have been the "proper" vote without that timing issue.

Yankees vote hasn't been counted given the vote to suspend the rules failed. Maybe NCY should clarify this further to you, so I would wait until NCY has had the chance to respond and make his point clear about the parts of the act that i don't properly understand.

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So the proxy was valid but not Yankee's vote or...?

Final vote was closed before Yankee voted

And the vote to suspend the rules failed to pass, partially because it was buried under a whole lot of threads resulting this in having lower votes. I would have needed 7 more aye votes for it to pass.

I've already told my opinion about the proxyvotes but other people make a big business of it and by passing it or counting, they would've legally contested this act or not recognise its passing.

The act hasn't failed yet. The vice president could still decide to break the tie in favour of it.

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PAY-GO RESOLUTION

Article VI of the Official Senate Rules and Procedures shall be amended as follows:

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6. ) All bills appropriating money must have any funding increases and decreases connected to a specific federal department or program budget. Any bill that includes a funding change that is not connected to a specific federal department budget shall not be able to be brought to a final vote.

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Passed 5-5-1-7 in the Atlasian Senate assembled with the Vice President as tiebreaker.

- Laki, Deputy PPT