Alabama Megathread 2: Thou Shall Not Touch Teenage Girls

[EnglishPete]

A rumored rapist which I still don’t buy because that year book looks super fake.

The guy was banned from the mall, FFS.

A manger at that time said he was not banned.

That guy was manager of the mall starting in 1981, past the time of these assaults.

If he had been on a banned list he would still have been on it. He was the Deputy DA, he started being involved in local politics in the early 80s when this guy was the manager and in getting involved in politics Moore was, in his case, involved in political controversies and subject to political flak right from the start. The idea that all that could have been going on and the manager of the mall, the guy in charge of the banned list, wouldn't have been aware if Moore was on a banned list is absurd.

Look at this interview here with the manager

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffas5nWqGBM

and now look at this interview wit this clown who claims to have been a mall employee at the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEouLsW2AVc

If you think the jackass in the second video is the more honest looking one then you're an idiot.

[EnglishPete]

A rumored rapist which I still don’t buy because that year book looks super fake.

The guy was banned from the mall, FFS.

A manger at that time said he was not banned.

That guy was manager of the mall starting in 1981, past the time of these assaults.

And apparently Creepo missed the statement from the former Gadsden cop (a notoriously liberal bunch) who said Moore's lacking on high school girls at the mall and elsewhere was the worst kept secret in town.

Who is this alleged former Gadsden cop? Is there any reason to think he's more convincing than the jackass in the second video in my last post?

[EnglishPete]

Why is Moore leading in Predicitt again?

Because apparently a Senate seat is more important to Republican voters than a candidate being literally Satan. Just like IceSpear and I said a while back.

Either that or Republican voters in Alabama have come to the conclusion that this whole "Roy Moore is a Pedo" claim is simply a media hatchet job based on lies.

[EnglishPete]

Why is Moore leading in Predicitt again?

Because apparently a Senate seat is more important to Republican voters than a candidate being literally Satan. Just like IceSpear and I said a while back.

Either that or Republican voters in Alabama have come to the conclusion that this whole "Roy Moore is a Pedo" claim is simply a media hatchet job based on lies.

Only 4 people in this world seriously believe the Moore Denial: You, Hannity, Greedo, and Moore himself. Everyone else is just supporting Moore because they're brainless brats who vote republican in a very robotic manner.

I notice you taking a view that several other posters here take. You're so convinced of the truth of these claims that you're convinced that almost no one else really doubts them either. The fact that the polls still show Moore getting nearly half the vote makes you think 'OMG these people would rather vote for a pedo than a Dem'. The fact that the great majority of the hundreds of thousands of people intending to vote for Moore will either seriously doubt the accusations against more or will think them a flat out media hoax seems to be beyond your comprehension.

[EnglishPete]

Serious question to the deplorables who are going to vote for Moore: If voting for a "pro-life" candidate is the most important factor in your vote, please explain to me what is "pro-life" about what Moore did to these girls' and women's lives? Moore obviously does not respect their lives. Why are their lives less important to you than the "life" of a zygote?

They're not. Its simply that the things that Moore is accused of having done to them never happened.

Lets look at the accusations

Leigh Corfman - Has produced a vivid account of being molested by Moore when she was 14. Her mother and two friends claim that she mentioned this at the time, however they're hardly independent witnesses. Is their any other evidence that backs up her description of Moore

Wendy Miller, Debbie Wesson Gibson, Gloria Thacker Deason describe a totally different pattern of behaviour. Describe him asking them on dates, and in two cases going on dates, when they were of age to start looking for a life partner. Describe him behaving in a highly chaste Christian manner, never doing more than kissing or cuddling and always, as was the custom still at that time, asking for parental approval for courting.

Then after the story breaks you get all the bandwagon jumpers

Beverly Young Nelson - Dramatic storyline, over the top acting and a forged yearbook inscription. If you believe her fairy tale you're utterly gullible

Tina Johnson - Woman with convictions for writing bad checks makes unsubstantiated claim of being groped by a man years ago, yet another totally different pattern of behavior described. Next

Gena Richardson - "Days later, she said she received a call at her school from Moore.

“I said ‘Hello?’” she told the Post. “And the male on the other line said, ‘Gena, this is Roy Moore.’ I was like, ‘What?!’ He said, ‘What are you doing?’ I said, ‘I’m in trig class.’ ”"

Just like to point out there were no cell phones then. So he did what exactly? called the school office and they just took her out of class to take a call from a strange man. Bullsh**t.

Becky Gray - Said he asked her for a date when she was 22 (oh the horrors). Claimed he was banned from the mall (A claim that has since been utterly debunked).

[EnglishPete]

Why is Moore so obsessed with Nelson? It's as if the other victims don't exist for him and his goons.

They're possibly focus on that because that Nelson's story is the most obvious fabrication. Some of the major problems with the testimony of both Beverly Nelson Young and Leigh Corfman as well as the people alleging that Moore was banned from the mall were discussed at a press conference today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAksq0FxKgY

[EnglishPete]

Don't know if posted but:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/retired-alabama-cop-on-roy-moore-we-were-also-told-to-make-sure-that-he-didnt-hang-around-the-cheerleaders/

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The claim that Moore was banned from the mall has been thoroughly debunked

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https://www.roymoore.org/Press-Releases/126/National-Media-Bias-Debunked%3a-Key-Witnesses-Refute-that-Judge-Moore-was-on-Mall-Ban-List

So now they've brought out yet another clown 'witness' who says "well we never actually received complaints about Moore but we heard rumours he was banned from the mall so we were asked to keep an eye on him. FFS. Its a sign of how partisan feeling can effect people's judgement that people are believing this rubbish

[EnglishPete]

god you are the absolute worst

Thank You! It's a compliment from such a person.

Smoltchanov, do you understand why a fourteen-year old sexual assault victim (in Alabama, nonetheless) might not go through with making a public accusation against an assistant district attorney? Do you have any empathy for the experiences of other human beings, particularly traumatized minors who were molested by a person in a position of power?

I'm going to agree with you on that one. Its entirely plausible that a molestation victim would not come forward during earlier election battles. What is not plausible is that the alleged mall ban would not have come out earlier. Roy Moore was a candidate in a rather bitter local election fight in the early eighties. If the mall ban had been real that certainly would have come out both then and in other elections.

[EnglishPete]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but EnglishPete is actually making a decent argument here. Doesn't really matter though since I consider the 14 year old to be a smoking gun and also think Moore's past removals from office disqualify him.

I have to agree with you that Corfman is by far the most plausible accuser. Some of the accusations don't hold up at all. Beverly Nelson's testimony is highly problematic for a whole host of reasons that have already been discussed at length here and elsewhere. The Mall ban story doesn't add up at all for reasons already discussed.

Gena Richardson's story made no sense. She says he called her and spoke to her on the phone at school in an era when there were no cell phones.  Is she seriously suggesting that the school office would receive a call from a strange man and the take a child out of class to hand over their phone to her to take the call?

She has clearly done what a lot of fabulists do, take bits and pieces of other people's stories and incorporated them into the story that she wanted to tell. So she took the bit on the one story 'he spoke to me at school' and a bit of another 'he called me on the phone' and put the two together even though the combination makes no sense. So in the rest of the story she turned him down for a date then she accepted, they only kissed but the kiss was 'forceful' and you can see that the rest of the story follows the same pattern, putting bits of two different stories that she's seem from the media together to invent her own new story.

Becky Gray has likewise incorporated the discredited 'mall ban' story that she saw in the media into her tale.

The star witness for the prosecution, as you correctly identify, is Leigh Corfman. Her testimony was actually believable and didn't have immediately obvious flaws in if.

continued in next post ...

[EnglishPete]

Gena Richardson's story made no sense. She says he called her and spoke to her on the phone at school in an era when there were no cell phones.  Is she seriously suggesting that the school office would receive a call from a strange man and the take a child out of class to hand over their phone to her to take the call?

Yes? I mean, I’m not even that old and I know that’s how it worked. The school office probably also know Roy Moore was the assistant DA, so he’s not some random stranger.

Life before cell phones was... very different, to say the least.

Yep. And of course saying that this story is obviously an invented conflation does not necessarily mean that the Corfman account is also false. Passing bits and pieces of other people's stories as their own is common with fabulists and in a media frenzy like this attracts that kind of person.

(Incidentally this is a reason to not automatically believe every accusation being made about Hollywood stars. The accusation about Weinstein and Spacey were clearly well founded, in both cases the evidence was overwhelming and they have more or less admitted it. However the media feeding frenzy will and probably has already attracted fabulist false accusers)

[EnglishPete]

School: "Hello, this is Gadsden High School."

Moore: "Good afternoon, my name is Roy Moore, Assistant District Attorney for Etowah County. I need to speak to a student at your school, her name is Gena Richardson."

School: "Oh yes, Gena... I hope she's not in any trouble?"

Moore: "No ma'am, I just need to speak to her."

School: "Certainly Mr. Moore, I'll call her to the phone right away."

I was at school in the eighties and I never once heard of any pupil making or receiving a call on a school telephone. The phones were there for the school not for the students.

Supposing he had called and persuaded the school that it was an urgent matter that justified disrupting the student's class by taking the student out of class to take the call. Then what? He asks her for a date whilst she's standing there in front of school staff? Even supposing the teacher had a phone in his or her class you've got the same issues. The school just being OK with the class being disrupted by a pupil taking a phone call in the middle of the class and him allegedly asking her out whilst shes standing there in front of the teacher who is waiting for her to finish the call.

(And for all those youngsters reading this that's right. Back in the eighties if you were in school and wanted to have a telephone conversation with someone before the end of the school day well you couldn't. Even in the unlikely event that someone called the school and persuaded them that the matter was urgent enough to drag you out of class to take the call the probability of you then been given privacy to take the call without school staff sitting at the desk where the phone was listening to everything you were saying would have been about zero)