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Mike88
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« on: December 28, 2023, 09:42:01 AM »

'I'm an absolute 🤡. Vote for me'

'Okay. Because you won't be an absolute 🤡'

Lunacy ensues

🤡🌞😧

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I don't wish economic or political ill will on Argentinians but sometimes you aren't 'duped.' You're just stupid.

They were/are in a MUCH worst situation than either US or Brazil in the 2010s. We cannot judge them under the same parameters.

I was the biggest voice against Milei here in the election, warning about how Argentinians conversations reminded me of the experience I went through in 2018 and how it made us in Brazil feel like seeing an younger more innocent brother starting to go through the same crack addiction that we just got cured after a long detox process.

However, I cannot really judge them for wanting something new. It’s a failure of the alternative if they aren’t able to convince people and present themselves as a better alternative than literal insanity. Argentinians were/are very aware that the Milei medicine makes them an experimental laboratory for the whole world to watch and take their conclusions.

I do feel somewhat worried that Milei is doing all that stuff without being blocked by the judiciary or the legislative yet. Maybe it’s because he’s on his first month so honeymoon phase is in the max, but the impression I am getting is that the executive, the president, is WAY more powerful in Argentina than in Brazil where we tend to have a more active and independent Legislative and Judiciary - and I mean this for both the bad and the good consequences that it represents.

There’s a reason why Bolsonaro never did in practice anything as crazy and one-sided authoritarian like Milei is doing now with his megadecrees: He would be putting his own head in danger and buying a fight with Congress; Justice and the people on the streets in general. Maybe Argentina situation being more critical + Milei being less than a month in office creates the situation where these forces want to hive the guy who just got elected a little credit to enact his agenda but if this situation keeps the same in six months from now, without an institutional reaction to these authoritarian abuses, then I would be very concerned.

Well, in the 90's, Brazil was in an even worse situation than Argentina with a 2400% inflation rate, but, Brazil was still a young democracy and was very lucky in having two very good Presidents, Itamar Franco and FHC, that stabilized inflation and the economy and, later, Lula consolidated these achievements during the 2000s The situation of Brazil in the 2010's is different than Argentina, although bad, it doesn't come even close.

The Argentina situation is just heartbreaking. Everybody knew that, whoever was elected President, the country would fall into more problems, and like Red Velvet wrote and I think I wrote it in the Argentinian election thread, when everything failed and there is no hope or solution, we cannot put ourselves in the shoes of the people of countries like Argentina. The desperation of the people is just overwhelming.
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