Russian ambassador met with advisers to Clinton campaign too

[ApatheticAustrian]

https://youtu.be/REV2tgDnsYI?t=44

[ApatheticAustrian]

we don't know yet how far the trump scandal goes but that all this distractions are thrown around is somehow telling.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I thought you were in favour of all these distractions getting thrown around by the Dems and their media cheerleaders?
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nah, i am in favor of an independent investigation into the many open questions around the trump campaign - russiy - wikileaks - guccifer2 -universe, without the daily need to either re-fight the 2016 election or deal with straw men.

luckily this investigation is going on anyway, even while most republicans are only talking about absurd claims (like trump being a FSB officer or russians SUCCESSFULLY hacking voting machines), no serious trump critic would ever use.

[ApatheticAustrian]

No, plenty of Republicans are talking about the claim that the Trump campaign had links with the Russian government and the fact that these claims have absolutely zero evidence to support them.

yeah and they are not convincing anyone, before the investigation is finished....especially mister page and mister manafort are in for short-term problems, we are going to see if that is the end of it.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Why haven't we seen any of this 'evidence' if it really exists?

im an - no offense - generally not "buying" into the permanent "evidence" BS going around in literally every political debate since years, which usually is meaning stuff like "i am not waiting at all until an investigation is finished and i could judge anything in a serious matter if i can make my point right now!" or "i won't accept any kind of evidence you are throwing around cause i don't like the colour of your eyes!"......happened for years with the MH17 and i won't bite again.....if there is something to see, we are going to see it....

... but i won't take on my sunglasses in the middle of the night and promising in advance to ignore anything which could happen just cause, something something hillary.

[ApatheticAustrian]

So what if the Logan Act is likely unconstitutional and all of this Russian nonsense is much ado about nothing on both sides?

then it still would be an ethics case, but i guess today the partisan hyperbole is protecting corruption at every turn.

[ApatheticAustrian]

HRC has never shied away from calling Putin who he is not. Trump has never shied away from calling Putin who he is. There's a difference there, and it may not be evident to unsophisticated consumers if media lies, like many McCain-Hillary voters.

i am often fascinated by the question, if you are just someone with a 180° different value system or just the most advanced kind of double-thinking paid bots.

[ApatheticAustrian]

oh, i understand well.

you are right-wing in a russian way, which is why you assume, your opponents shoudl be left-wing in a russian way and not the strange liberal-cross-over-thingie, which is hated by the left and the right in russia.