Italian Elections and Politics 2018: Yellow Tide

[ApatheticAustrian]

imho, it's only natural renzi would quit if the best shot to save italy from itself get sabotaged like that from the crypto-"draintheswamp" party.

at this point, grillo is only a crazy old man, trying to tear down his own country.

[ApatheticAustrian]

italy is the only western country atm in which one establishment party wants to reshape something important and the populists - left and right - are winning the fight for the status quo.

[ApatheticAustrian]

that "no" is about to win handily proves, that the people don't want actual change, they want to hear that other people are to blame for their troubles.

[ApatheticAustrian]

turnout.at noon?

isn't the south more hostile?

[ApatheticAustrian]

i think this was the brave and right thing to do.

renzi did "occupy" the title or prime minister to achieve things.

if the people don't want to make italy more competetive and able to survive, it's their own decision.

[ApatheticAustrian]

5 stars is a crazy coalition....first it seemed somewhat-anarchistic-anti-system-left, now some left-right-cross-over-pro-russia-anarchy-anti-eu-thing.

[ApatheticAustrian]

alto-adige is still my politically fav part of italy.

[ApatheticAustrian]

what

südtirol-trentino which is ofc part of the REICH!

(thought that name would be better-known. like any good austrian i have family in south tyrol and the czech republic.)

[ApatheticAustrian]

trump couldn't have won in italy, imho, cause you need to play the game of thrones to create a long-living coalition in italy and that's some serious work to be done.

[ApatheticAustrian]

may i ask if this is more about bruised egos or the actual differences? (yeah, yeah, both i guess)

awful.....the right is so much better at sticking together when it counts.

[ApatheticAustrian]

my knowledge of italian politics is quite limited but...isn't it quire hard anyway, to get anything done in italy, without selling your soul to 5-6 other groups and pray that your proposals fly through the parliament?

makes me often wonder how the country is able to stay as functionable as it does.....

[ApatheticAustrian]

this is DISGUSTING.

i was always more critical of 5 stars than most leftist but since 1-2 years they have gone full-public-enemy.

some people just want to see the world burn.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i think italy is going to rue rejecting the renzi-rendum in more ways than usually imagined.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i read about 1 million earlier, so this is an improvement.

still a totally useless injury and challenge for renzi, which has even split the party.....

[ApatheticAustrian]

ofc renzi itended to return but since he connected the referendum with his own persona, it was necessary to get a new "mandate" of his own party....after all no one has voted for renzi until now directly.

[ApatheticAustrian]

italy and france are the weak links of the EU atm.....i trust renzi to stabilize my great southern neighbour state.

[ApatheticAustrian]

anyone but grillo seems like a healthy result for now.