The TrumpCare comes back from the dead (...and lives!) thread

[JA]

This is just the beginning of the winning!

Hopefully we can build the wall, ban abortion, ban gay marriage, deport all the illegals and get rid of the anchors babies! USA!

Please find another thread to troll on. Even better find a board that I don't moderate. Thanks.

Give me 30 minutes with one of these people and I'll have them agreeing this bill is bad. I know they haven't read the bill or really understand what's in it.

TD,

You're an intelligent and logical person who isn't hellbent on partisanship, so you're open to facts and persuasion. People like Classic Conservative are not.

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

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i understand people getting pissed if they or someone they know lose their healthcare insurance but trump voters are getting screwed the most anyway and the right thing to do atm would be to get active and to make sure to communicate who is responsible for doing what and how to stop it,

Don't get mad. That triggers the dopamine in their brains. You have to ask them why they support the bill and defend it. That's when the hemming and hawing begins.

Exactly. Don't put someone in such a reflexively defensive position, because then they simply double-down and refuse to even consider reflection. You want to challenge their thinking; ask questions, challenge their logic, make emotional appeals that'll connect with them. Pure confrontation is like spanking a child because they did something that upset you; it's not going to correct the problem, it only creates more and temporarily makes you feel better.

Also, do not condescend or simply condemn Trump and Republican voters. They made an awful choice for which many of them will be disproportionately negative affected, but they're still human beings deserving of basic human decency, which should include health care. We must engage these voters, challenge them to justify their views (like TD has been saying), and appeal our case. Most won't be convinced, but we only need a minority of them to take back the House, Senate, and majority of state governments, then the White House.

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

http://shareblue.com/gop-lawmaker-to-constituents-who-will-die-without-health-care-they-didnt-vote-for-me/

Fck being nice.  People are going to die either way.  It's every man for himself now, remember?

So, become immoral, depraved, and nihilistic like these Republicans? Reject the inherent right of all human beings to basic human dignity (which includes health care)? No thanks. Tell me though, what then separates you from the monster you're fighting?

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. So yes, I absolutely hope Jason's Chaffetz's kids all have to be put into iron lungs.

I'm sorry you have such hate in your heart, especially for the innocent.

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

http://shareblue.com/gop-lawmaker-to-constituents-who-will-die-without-health-care-they-didnt-vote-for-me/

Fck being nice.  People are going to die either way.  It's every man for himself now, remember?

So, become immoral, depraved, and nihilistic like these Republicans? Reject the inherent right of all human beings to basic human dignity (which includes health care)? No thanks. Tell me though, what then separates you from the monster you're fighting?

To be fair, he isn't voting to strip healthcare from millions of people.

No, but his philosophy is dangerously close to theirs.

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

I mean sure but more importantly Republicnans need to chill with these low-blow attacks on people's healthcare.

Well, obviously. But you don't win by adopting their inhumane values, do you?

[JA]

Heh heh heh.

Payback's a bitch.

And what proof do you have that the majority of people in those states with pre-existing conditions voted Republican? (Not that that really matters, because I find your gleeful cheering of sick people's suffering abhorrent)

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

http://shareblue.com/gop-lawmaker-to-constituents-who-will-die-without-health-care-they-didnt-vote-for-me/

Fck being nice.  People are going to die either way.  It's every man for himself now, remember?

So, become immoral, depraved, and nihilistic like these Republicans? Reject the inherent right of all human beings to basic human dignity (which includes health care)? No thanks. Tell me though, what then separates you from the monster you're fighting?

Well, I've become a lot more tribal lately, mostly from personal circumstances but also because of politics.  My philosophy now is this: you choose poverty, you get to live in poverty.  Don't force other people to share your misery.  My father is dead, I'm disabled, and my mother is disabled.  We were only able to get our healthcare because of Obamacare.  Pardon me if I'm unhappy with the prospect of losing my health insurance because some yahoo in West Virginia doesn't like the blacks.

Trust me, I understand why you're so upset. My father died in December, my mother is fighting for disability due to chronic health conditions, and we've lived in poverty my entire life. Most of our family, including my deceased father, voted for Trump enthusiastically or support Republicans, primarily because of abortion, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, and racism. They support Trump despite believing in universal healthcare, higher minimum wage, and a stronger social safety net. I hear it frequently and have to see it on my fb feed regularly. My county voted only 31% for Clinton. I'm surrounded by Republicans and Trump supporters.

If this passes, my chronically ill mother could likely be denied healthcare. Due to Rick Scott being our governor, she had no access to Medicaid expansion that she would've otherwise received. So, I know how incredibly frustrating all of this is. But if we start thinking like them by denying anyone basic human decency, then we become no better than them. This isn't a game of "being better than them costs elections," which may or may not true (I doubt it is), but that's supposed to be a fundamental part of our philosophy and politics. Fight them like hell politically, but don't start thinking of people in terms of they do or don't deserve something because of their politics or wealth or anything else; they deserve decency, which includes healthcare, because they're human beings.