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JA
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Junior Chimp
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« on: April 02, 2017, 02:25:42 AM »

Ben Kenobi,

While Governor NeverAgain's wording was a bit harsh and perhaps too excessive considering the limitations of his office, I also understand his frustration. We acknowledge that you abide by the rules in your conduct in the Chamber, however even you must admit, even if not publicly, that your rush to introduce numerous pieces of legislation following the impending results of the election were politically motivated. It may be legally permissible, but it isn't courteous and is excessively partisan. Since that time you've proceeded to engage in obstruction of legislation, delaying of proceedings, and unnecessary bickering with Labor delegates. I'm not going to pretend that all the fault is yours, but you have played an outsized role in the gridlock plaguing our Chamber.

You were elected by Southerners just as JTC, fhtagn, diptheriadan, NeverAgain, and I were. You owe it to those same voters, as do all of us, to find a way to resolve these issues without causing further difficulty and delay. I won't make any threats or try to exert any power over you, for I have no interest nor ability to do so. I'm simply asking you to consider finding a way to work with the new majority, just as I'd like us to respect you and work with you.
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JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2017, 03:46:47 AM »

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Indeed. I have no desire to condemn Never Again for expressing his opinions regarding the Chamber. However, he crossed a line here.

Would you, as a Laborite delegate, want to see your legislation struck from the order paper by a federalist governor who did not approve? You'd be in uproar, especially if the governor threatened you.

The same protection that protects all of your bills, protects mine too. Never Again does have the authority to do many things but it is important that he stay within the bounds of his office. He needs to trust the legislative process.

No, I would not like that. Nor do I think your legislation deserves to be struck by Governor NeverAgain. Like I said, I think out of frustration he went too far and his language was too excessive.

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Actually, the legislation, all of it, was older legislation that had existed in the South prior to the reset. If I wanted partisan legislation, why would I put forth this type of legislation? Surely you can understand the change of name to the IDS is not partisan, there are IDS supporters within both parties.[/quote]

I was not suggesting your legislation was necessarily partisan, only that you introduced them all in such haste for partisan purposes. If that was genuinely not your intent, then I apologize for making that assumption. But you can admit that it had the effect of slowing down any attempts the new Labor majority would have at introducing and voting on new legislation, hence why we became frustrated.

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And putting forth a bill that is solely intended to negate my euthanasia bill is courteous and neutral? [/quote]

I wouldn't say it's discourteous, considering many of us have strong reservations or opposition to your proposed legislation. It is partisan, however. But that's standard politics since we have obvious disagreements. What I was calling discourteous and excessively partisan was the assumed tactics you were using to slow down the new Labor majority.

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As you stated, I have acted within the legal bounds of my office as delegate of the South. I am sorry that the legislative process is not as quick as you would like, but again, I have an obligation to represent my constituents to the best of my ability.

Surely you can see my duty to them? Just as you have your duty also. I would never attempt to criticize you for doing your job. [/quote]

I wouldn't ask or expect you to do anything to defy what you believe to be the wishes of your constituents, as I'm sure you know. My point was simply that we, including Laborites, should move legislation along as quickly as possible and not fall prey to partisan bickering.

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We have a process. Debating the bills and discussing them before voting on them is not an unreasonable request. I realize you'd probably prefer other bills to be debated, but, I was Speaker too.

We debated and discussed every bill in front of us. I did not remove Laborite bills from the order paper, but brought all of them up in their proper order.

I merely ask to have the same respect returned. [/quote]

And I agree with you. As I said, I disagree with Governor NeverAgain's language and hope he rescinds that threat. You may also know that I seconded reinstating the debate on your IDS bill because I agreed with you that it didn't have a fair debate.

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It's hardly working with me when JTC puts up his bills to erase bills that were just passed... What do you have to offer to me to break this impasse?
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Attempting to erase bills you had just passed is understandably frustrating for you, but I also understand JTC's disagreements with your legislation. Both your proposal and his should be given a fair debate and vote. Not knowing the exact wording of his legislation at this time, I can only say I hope that it wasn't unnecessarily provocative.

At this point, I'd extend an AYE vote for your IDS legislation, offer to consider and work with you on potentially bipartisan legislation you've proposed thus far to help move the process along, and will ask JTC to be less confrontational. In exchange, I'd like you to promise to not engage in partisan bickering, restrain from unnecessary obstruction of legislation (such as allowing the emergency bill put forward by fhtagn to proceed to debate), and be open to working with me or other Laborites on potentially bipartisan legislation. I'll also ask Governor NeverAgain to rescind his threat in exchange for you dropping the lawsuit against him and putting this behind us. What do you say?
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JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2017, 06:17:22 PM »

Okay Ben, good luck convincing JA and fhtagn to impeach their own party's Governor over nonsense, cause I sure as hell am not.

The worst Governor NeverAgain could possibly be accused of is using harsh language, which isn't grounds for impeachment by any means. So you can count me out on impeachment or any other reprimanding of the Governor.
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