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JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« on: October 15, 2016, 03:02:44 PM »

This is what I fear from a Clinton presidency.  Trump wants to work with Russia and I think Johnson would as well to a lesser extent.  Hillary already screwed up this relationship and doesn't want to make a deal with Putin.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/ways-russia-telling-people-prepare-war/story?id=42800992

If Hillary Clinton is elected, nuclear war would be all but certain.

Oh, so now it's essentially, "elect Trump or we will all die in a nuclear holocaust because Putin doesn't like Clinton." How very patriotic of you! Why don't you people admit what anyone with a brain has figured out already - you don't care about this country, its institutions, its reputation, or its people unless you're in charge. And if obtaining power means siding with a corrupt Russian autocrat to hack into the data of American voters, endanger the integrity of our democracy, and threaten nuclear war against our country, you have no qualms with it. You're the definition of a traitor; Trump supporters are a fifth column in our republic. Loyal solely to themselves and their insatiable lust for power and privilege.
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JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2016, 03:28:52 PM »

This is what I fear from a Clinton presidency.  Trump wants to work with Russia and I think Johnson would as well to a lesser extent.  Hillary already screwed up this relationship and doesn't want to make a deal with Putin.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/ways-russia-telling-people-prepare-war/story?id=42800992

If Hillary Clinton is elected, nuclear war would be all but certain.

Oh, so now it's essentially, "elect Trump or we will all die in a nuclear holocaust because Putin doesn't like Clinton." How very patriotic of you! Why don't you people admit what anyone with a brain has figured out already - you don't care about this country, its institutions, its reputation, or its people unless you're in charge. And if obtaining power means siding with a corrupt Russian autocrat to hack into the data of American voters, endanger the integrity of our democracy, and threaten nuclear war against our country, you have no qualms with it. You're the definition of a traitor; Trump supporters are a fifth column in our republic. Loyal solely to themselves and their insatiable lust for power and privilege.

I love this country and will not stand to view it fall. Your candidate has endangered our national security and will further endanger the safety of Americans who she does not even care about. This woman should never be allowed near the Oval Office. The Clintons only care about themselves and how to further their political influence, they could care less about the American people. She will not be a president for all Americans if she writes off half of the country.

The basket of deplorables wrote themselves off when they hitched their wagons to a scapegoating, bigoted, boarish, demagogue, who preys upon anyone of whom he can take advantage, whether it's ripping off the American taxpayers, stiffing contractors, or sexually violating countless women. Maybe you guys find that behavior acceptable, but the decent majority finds it reprehensible. Clinton is absolutely not the representative of purity and transparency, but I'd rather have that than a man who runs to twitter every time someone says something mean about him, would degrade or assault my female relatives, target my Muslim and minority friends, and would empower the most disgusting and shameful elements of our society, while dragging our international reputation and alliances through the mud. All for what? If you believe that Trump gives a damn about anything he advocates, aside from the Trump brand and bigotry, then I have a bridge to sell you.
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JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2016, 03:34:45 PM »

Trump has demonstrated the existence of a real moral majority in American politics - and it damn sure doesn't include Evangelical Christians or other so-called "family values" voters.
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JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2016, 06:49:00 PM »

maybe i sound like an alt righter here so forgive me, but despite my belief we shouldn't go into war, we shouldn't be so scared sh**tless of war that even the slightest threat of war means we give up our sovereignty, our democracy to another country. Is that a controversial opinion?

Not at all.  I agree with you completely.
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JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2016, 07:49:38 PM »
« Edited: October 15, 2016, 07:54:15 PM by Jacobin American »

maybe i sound like an alt righter here so forgive me, but despite my belief we shouldn't go into war, we shouldn't be so scared sh**tless of war that even the slightest threat of war means we give up our sovereignty, our democracy to another country. Is that a controversial opinion?

Not at all.  I agree with you completely.
Exactly, else we are truly being conquered. We agree to work with other countries to maximize the welfare of all.

I'm not suggesting that at all.  Just reaching a neutral agreement with Putin/Russia to not go to war.  We have enough blowback to deal with here without making Russia a full enemy again.

While I will always advocate a position that minimizes the chance of international conflict, the simple fact is that America is not the guilty party here. Russia has been hacking into our voting data to tamper with our elections; Russia has moved nuclear weapons into their enclave on the border of two NATO member states; Russia armed the Ukrainian militas, sent Russian forces into the territory of a sovereign state, and essentially seized their territory; Russia has been directly funding and aiding right-wing separatist, Eurosceptic, and anti-immigrant parties throughout Europe; Russia has been propping up the al-Assad regime under the guise of fighting ISIS as the Syrian military bombs humanitarian aid convoys; Russia has been engaging in relentless cyberwarfare against the United States; Russia has been utilizing its puppet Wikileaks to interfere in our election to destabilize our country through delegitimizing our election. I won't deny that the US meddles in Russian affairs as well, that's simply what major states do and always have done, for better or worse. However, it has been the Russians who've disproportionately attacked and threatened their neighbors and deliberately attempt to undermine our government. So the one who needs to concede here and be punished by the international community is Russia, not America. Russia needs to back down, not us.
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