Trump may have just won NC for good

[JA]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

[JA]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

What a BS lie. Black high crime rates is due to a cultural problem among blacks - IE the glorification of the 'thug life'.

No one forces blacks to commit crimes. And you can't point to me one example of how our system 'targets blacks'.

And blacks being arrested more than other ethnic groups is not proof of anything except that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate. Why is that? As I said, cultural.

I mean what's you're solution here? That the police start ignoring black people who commit crimes? Do you believe that white people who steal, rob, murder, attack police get ignored?

They don't. They just do these things at a much lower rate.

Again, cultural.

I'm afraid the only one spouting BS here is you with your racially charged propaganda.

African Americans live in disproportionate poverty due to historical circumstances not of their choosing (slavery, segregation, institutionalized racism, social discrimination, etc). The American legal system has been discriminatory and oppressive to African Americans. All of these murders making the news today aren't new, we're only just now seeing it regularly thanks to widespread access to cameras and social media. Poverty has been proven consistently to be an intergenerational cycle that's hard to escape, especially when one adds the stigma of darker skin. Lower class areas, predominantly in minority communities, have been neglected in terms of lack of investment in public schools (from which privileged White people can flee to private schools), face systematic targeting, harassment, and surveillance by police (which only leads to further disintegration of communities and increased deviancy; read recent research on the sociology of labeling theory), rampant wealth inequality, perpetual exclusion from the illusionary "American Dream," and frustrated aspirations (which, when coupled with a culture that prioritizes material possessions and dehumanizes the poor, you get envy and deviancy), all of which leads, inevitably, to the flourishing of a counterculture wherein rebellion against the forces that continue to perpetuate your dehumanization, restrict your access to essential resources, and label you a dangerous deviant, becomes the norm.

Essentially, when you continue to delegitimize the grievances of a community, humiliate them, dehumanize them, defend the individuals and institutions that murder their brothers, sons, and fathers, and dismiss the legitimate anger stemming from a long history of ingrained inequality and racism that has allowed these problems to flourish, then how in the hell can you blame them for being angry?

Unless you are African American you have absolutely no right to decide how they should feel or to judge their culture. Maybe if you shut up and listened to these communities when they relate their experiences, instead of acting like a condescending know-it-all bigot who thinks s/he can diagnose what is or is not 'their problem,' then perhaps you'd have a legitimate and respectable position on this subject. Until then, either be quiet or keep making an ass out of yourself.

[JA]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

What a BS lie. Black high crime rates is due to a cultural problem among blacks - IE the glorification of the 'thug life'.

No one forces blacks to commit crimes. And you can't point to me one example of how our system 'targets blacks'.

And blacks being arrested more than other ethnic groups is not proof of anything except that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate. Why is that? As I said, cultural.

I mean what's you're solution here? That the police start ignoring black people who commit crimes? Do you believe that white people who steal, rob, murder, attack police get ignored?

They don't. They just do these things at a much lower rate.

Again, cultural.

I'm afraid the only one spouting BS here is you with your racially charged propaganda.

African Americans live in disproportionate poverty due to historical circumstances not of their choosing (slavery, segregation, institutionalized racism, social discrimination, etc). The American legal system has been discriminatory and oppressive to African Americans. All of these murders making the news today aren't new, we're only just now seeing it regularly thanks to widespread access to cameras and social media. Poverty has been proven consistently to be an intergenerational cycle that's hard to escape, especially when one adds the stigma of darker skin. Lower class areas, predominantly in minority communities, have been neglected in terms of lack of investment in public schools (from which privileged White people can flee to private schools), face systematic targeting, harassment, and surveillance by police (which only leads to further disintegration of communities and increased deviancy; read recent research on the sociology of labeling theory), rampant wealth inequality, perpetual exclusion from the illusionary "American Dream," and frustrated aspirations (which, when coupled with a culture that prioritizes material possessions and dehumanizes the poor, you get envy and deviancy), all of which leads, inevitably, to the flourishing of a counterculture wherein rebellion against the forces that continue to perpetuate your dehumanization, restrict your access to essential resources, and label you a dangerous deviant, becomes the norm.

Essentially, when you continue to delegitimize the grievances of a community, humiliate them, dehumanize them, defend the individuals and institutions that murder their brothers, sons, and fathers, and dismiss the legitimate anger stemming from a long history of ingrained inequality and racism that has allowed these problems to flourish, then how in the hell can you blame them for being angry?

Unless you are African American you have absolutely no right to decide how they should feel or to judge their culture. Maybe if you shut up and listened to these communities when they relate their experiences, instead of acting like a condescending know-it-all bigot who thinks s/he can diagnose what is or is not 'their problem,' then perhaps you'd have a legitimate and respectable position on this subject. Until then, either be quiet or keep making an ass out of yourself.

Black folk shouldn't criticize white culture either.

To say this is to assume that African Americans and their culture share equality in this nation with Whites and their culture. This is not, nor has it ever been, true. One has experienced systematic exploitation, discrimination, racism, hostility, and violence on a massive scale that has embedded itself in nearly every aspect of our society, from media depictions to the judicial system. The other has been the perpetrator of this systematic and societal discrimination that, within the lifetime of millions of African Americans, manifested itself in lynchings, legally enforced segregation of public facilities, and active disenfranchisement on the basis of one's skin color.  Only one group alone in this nation (Whites) is privileged, has built this system of racism, and reacts with hostility whenever they feel that the groups they've kept under their heel for centuries might speak out against their dehumanization. That you believe Whites are not inherently priveleged in this country would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

[JA]

Hillary winning NC was always quite a pipe dream from the Democrats.

Trump is heavily favoured there.

Based on what quantitative evidence?

[JA]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

What a BS lie. Black high crime rates is due to a cultural problem among blacks - IE the glorification of the 'thug life'.

No one forces blacks to commit crimes. And you can't point to me one example of how our system 'targets blacks'.

And blacks being arrested more than other ethnic groups is not proof of anything except that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate. Why is that? As I said, cultural.

I mean what's you're solution here? That the police start ignoring black people who commit crimes? Do you believe that white people who steal, rob, murder, attack police get ignored?

They don't. They just do these things at a much lower rate.

Again, cultural.

I'm afraid the only one spouting BS here is you with your racially charged propaganda.

African Americans live in disproportionate poverty due to historical circumstances not of their choosing (slavery, segregation, institutionalized racism, social discrimination, etc). The American legal system has been discriminatory and oppressive to African Americans. All of these murders making the news today aren't new, we're only just now seeing it regularly thanks to widespread access to cameras and social media. Poverty has been proven consistently to be an intergenerational cycle that's hard to escape, especially when one adds the stigma of darker skin. Lower class areas, predominantly in minority communities, have been neglected in terms of lack of investment in public schools (from which privileged White people can flee to private schools), face systematic targeting, harassment, and surveillance by police (which only leads to further disintegration of communities and increased deviancy; read recent research on the sociology of labeling theory), rampant wealth inequality, perpetual exclusion from the illusionary "American Dream," and frustrated aspirations (which, when coupled with a culture that prioritizes material possessions and dehumanizes the poor, you get envy and deviancy), all of which leads, inevitably, to the flourishing of a counterculture wherein rebellion against the forces that continue to perpetuate your dehumanization, restrict your access to essential resources, and label you a dangerous deviant, becomes the norm.

Essentially, when you continue to delegitimize the grievances of a community, humiliate them, dehumanize them, defend the individuals and institutions that murder their brothers, sons, and fathers, and dismiss the legitimate anger stemming from a long history of ingrained inequality and racism that has allowed these problems to flourish, then how in the hell can you blame them for being angry?

Unless you are African American you have absolutely no right to decide how they should feel or to judge their culture. Maybe if you shut up and listened to these communities when they relate their experiences, instead of acting like a condescending know-it-all bigot who thinks s/he can diagnose what is or is not 'their problem,' then perhaps you'd have a legitimate and respectable position on this subject. Until then, either be quiet or keep making an ass out of yourself.

Black folk shouldn't criticize white culture either.

To say this is to assume that African Americans and their culture share equality in this nation with Whites and their culture. This is not, nor has it ever been, true. One has experienced systematic exploitation, discrimination, racism, hostility, and violence on a massive scale that has embedded itself in nearly every aspect of our society, from media depictions to the judicial system. The other has been the perpetrator of this systematic and societal discrimination that, within the lifetime of millions of African Americans, manifested itself in lynchings, legally enforced segregation of public facilities, and active disenfranchisement on the basis of one's skin color.  Only one group alone in this nation (Whites) is privileged, has built this system of racism, and reacts with hostility whenever they feel that the groups they've kept under their heel for centuries might speak out against their dehumanization. That you believe Whites are not inherently privileged in this country would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

We all know that white privilege exists. People just want to stop hearing excuses. No one is owed ANYTHING in America.

I think you mean "White people just want to stop hearing excuses." No one else would consider those "excuses" except for privileged individuals, such as yourself. And who said anything about being owed something? It's called fairness and justice. After centuries of slavery, segregation, lynchings, voter disenfranchisement, anti-miscegenation laws, legalized murder, harassment, and profiling by police, lack of investment in anti-poverty and education programs, and social discrimination by the privileged White majority, when African Americans protest or speak out against their unjustifiable and curable socioeconomic situation, they're met with "no one is owed ANYTHING in America."

[JA]

Hillary winning NC was always quite a pipe dream from the Democrats.

Trump is heavily favoured there.

Based on what quantitative evidence?

Based on tonight. You think that white voters are going to sit back and be terrorized out of their cars. Maybe you, but not the people I know.

Oh, now they're terrorists. Good to know.

They're pulling people out of cars. You support that nonsense?

Objecting to labeling African American protestors terrorists = supporting the alleged actions of a few rabble rousers

[JA]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

What a BS lie. Black high crime rates is due to a cultural problem among blacks - IE the glorification of the 'thug life'.

No one forces blacks to commit crimes. And you can't point to me one example of how our system 'targets blacks'.

And blacks being arrested more than other ethnic groups is not proof of anything except that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate. Why is that? As I said, cultural.

I mean what's you're solution here? That the police start ignoring black people who commit crimes? Do you believe that white people who steal, rob, murder, attack police get ignored?

They don't. They just do these things at a much lower rate.

Again, cultural.

I'm afraid the only one spouting BS here is you with your racially charged propaganda.

African Americans live in disproportionate poverty due to historical circumstances not of their choosing (slavery, segregation, institutionalized racism, social discrimination, etc). The American legal system has been discriminatory and oppressive to African Americans. All of these murders making the news today aren't new, we're only just now seeing it regularly thanks to widespread access to cameras and social media. Poverty has been proven consistently to be an intergenerational cycle that's hard to escape, especially when one adds the stigma of darker skin. Lower class areas, predominantly in minority communities, have been neglected in terms of lack of investment in public schools (from which privileged White people can flee to private schools), face systematic targeting, harassment, and surveillance by police (which only leads to further disintegration of communities and increased deviancy; read recent research on the sociology of labeling theory), rampant wealth inequality, perpetual exclusion from the illusionary "American Dream," and frustrated aspirations (which, when coupled with a culture that prioritizes material possessions and dehumanizes the poor, you get envy and deviancy), all of which leads, inevitably, to the flourishing of a counterculture wherein rebellion against the forces that continue to perpetuate your dehumanization, restrict your access to essential resources, and label you a dangerous deviant, becomes the norm.

Essentially, when you continue to delegitimize the grievances of a community, humiliate them, dehumanize them, defend the individuals and institutions that murder their brothers, sons, and fathers, and dismiss the legitimate anger stemming from a long history of ingrained inequality and racism that has allowed these problems to flourish, then how in the hell can you blame them for being angry?

Unless you are African American you have absolutely no right to decide how they should feel or to judge their culture. Maybe if you shut up and listened to these communities when they relate their experiences, instead of acting like a condescending know-it-all bigot who thinks s/he can diagnose what is or is not 'their problem,' then perhaps you'd have a legitimate and respectable position on this subject. Until then, either be quiet or keep making an ass out of yourself.

Black folk shouldn't criticize white culture either.

To say this is to assume that African Americans and their culture share equality in this nation with Whites and their culture. This is not, nor has it ever been, true. One has experienced systematic exploitation, discrimination, racism, hostility, and violence on a massive scale that has embedded itself in nearly every aspect of our society, from media depictions to the judicial system. The other has been the perpetrator of this systematic and societal discrimination that, within the lifetime of millions of African Americans, manifested itself in lynchings, legally enforced segregation of public facilities, and active disenfranchisement on the basis of one's skin color.  Only one group alone in this nation (Whites) is privileged, has built this system of racism, and reacts with hostility whenever they feel that the groups they've kept under their heel for centuries might speak out against their dehumanization. That you believe Whites are not inherently privileged in this country would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

We all know that white privilege exists. People just want to stop hearing excuses. No one is owed ANYTHING in America.

I think you mean "White people just want to stop hearing excuses." No one else would consider those "excuses" except for privileged individuals, such as yourself. And who said anything about being owed something? It's called fairness and justice. After centuries of slavery, segregation, lynchings, voter disenfranchisement, anti-miscegenation laws, legalized murder, harassment, and profiling by police, lack of investment in anti-poverty and education programs, and social discrimination by the privileged White majority, when African Americans protest or speak out against their unjustifiable and curable socioeconomic situation, they're met with "no one is owed ANYTHING in America."

You're supposed to earn things, not get a job because of your skin color. Quotas have to end. It's not "fairness", it's cheating. Those schools are failing. Why invest in failing schools? It's a waste of taxpayers money.

You'd have a fair point if one race hadn't spent the past several centuries exploiting, oppressing, and dehumanizing those they labeled as inferior and then continued to engage in discrimination and racism against that other race while profiting from a cultural inheritance that places them at an advantage based solely on the color of their skin. As for investing in failing schools, perhaps you should invest in fixing them to ensure that all students have equal access to a proper education without regard to their parents' wealth (or lack thereof). A radical idea, I know.