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« on: December 11, 2019, 01:48:03 PM »

This seems like fairly reasonable legislation, I'll sponsor.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2019, 01:56:58 PM »

Just to be clear, I do intend to respond to the concerns above. With an Atlasian election, a rl election and a couple of big deadlines early next week, I am very busy for the next few days.
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2019, 08:43:38 AM »

Blair's response is pretty much what I wanted to say. There are many ways we can get the money to fund this bill, which is a fairly modest reduction in costs for Atlasians.

According to Forbes, 42% of Americans own passports which has been steadily increasing over time. According to the US government, 21,103,475 passports were issued per year. Lets say 10% of those were new applicants, which seems a little high given the trajectory, but lets give us some room. The price for a passport under this bill is $125, down from $135.

10*21,103,475 is $211,034,750.

So the reduction in fees from section 3 costs $211 million.

21,103,475/10 is 2,110,348. 2,110,348*125 is $263,793,500.

So the elimination of first time fees costs $264 million.

Passport photos vary in price significantly but $15 seems to be the number for post offices. Someone more informed on that can correct me if I'm wrong on that.

21,103,475*15 is $316,552,125.

So the elimination of passport photo in section 2 costs around $317 million.

So the total cost of the bill is around $782 million. I believe this is something worth paying and as Blair said, we can find a way to maintain support to post offices.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2019, 08:32:41 AM »

It is fairly straight forward to put a bit of extra money into the postal service, the question is whether you consider a very modest cut in passport costs worthwhile. I'm not sure why someone who presumably cares about reducing taxes wouldn't want to reduce this cost imposed by the government on people.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2019, 09:08:04 PM »

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A BILL

Be it enacted by the House of Representatives and the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia in Congress assembled,

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SECTION I: NAME

1. This bill may be cited as the Let People Travel Act.

SECTION II: NO MORE DUMB FEES

1. No fee or tax shall be charged for first-time application or renewal of any Atlasian passport book or passport card.
2. Passport photographs shall be available to be taken free of charge at every facility which accepts passport applications.
3. Section 5 of the Citizen Affordability Act, "The fee associated with the filing of a passport application is hereby increased by $10", is hereby struck out.
4. The Atlasian Government shall invest an additional $400,000,000 per fiscal year in the Atlasian Postal Service.

People's Regional Senate
Passed 6-0 in the Atlasian Senate Assembled,


An amendment to maintain and slightly extend funding for the postal service.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2019, 07:55:54 AM »

Yes, because let's just create money and worry about where that money is coming from later.

Further proving how irresponsible the Labor Party is.

You may have a point if this bill costed 10 billion, 15 billion. It is an extremely modest bill and ultimately the deficit of $542 billion becoming a deficit of $543 billion really isn't a major issue. I'm certainly interested in reducing the deficit, getting stuck on the costs of one bill isn't how you do that.

Every bill has a cost and unless you support the complete abolishment of government , you agree that some costs are worth paying. It would be more productive if there was a debate around why you don't think this is a cost worth paying rather than complaining that there might be a miniscule dent in the deficit. This bill is a very modest cut in passport prices to make it more affordable for people. Having some form of ID is absolutely essential for many people and to cut the price will life slightly easier.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2019, 08:20:11 AM »

Motion for a final vote
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2019, 10:54:49 AM »

Cloture vote

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2019, 11:00:06 AM »

Aye
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2019, 04:42:16 PM »

Debate is ended

5-3-0-1

Final vote

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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2019, 04:42:47 PM »

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