Atlasian Civil Liberties Caucus (ACLC)

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i'll run for Northeast regional chair

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Hello everyone. I want to thank you all for taking the time to listen to what i have to say today.

   The dictionary describes civil liberties as:
"Fundamental individual rights, such as freedom of speech and religion, protected by law against unwarranted governmental or other interference."

These individual rights are one of the most important parts of any government. A nation can never be great nor its people happy if they have little to no civil liberties. These liberties should be closely watched over by a senator to ensure that these liberties are not taken away.

I will try and keep this relatively brief.

I believe that one of the most important civil liberties is freedom of speech. And while I favor a nation with no censorship, many don't and I understand that. As senator I will work to make sure no new pro-censorship laws are passed, while also fighting anti-censorship laws. There sre many beliefs in District 1, and I want to represent them all to the best of my ability.

Women's rights are also very important to me. I support abortion up until the third trimester. I think that kids shouldn't have to be born into families that won't be able to support them, causing them a life that will be full of suffering and pain.

The rights of the minority is a controversial one. I support making sure racial profiling does not happen, but oppose affirmative action because then we are denying people of jobs due to skin color that way,too.

Freedom of religion. an issues that has decided elections and ended the careers of politicians. I support freedom of religion, but that means for all religions. Muslam, Jewish, Christian, and every other religion should be treated equally. there are many who condemn the christians for the fact that they are very aggressive. i find this to be just as wrong as people not being able to fly in planes because they're Muslam. You have to stick up for every religion.

the right to bear arms. i believe you have the right to bear any weapon that isn't an assault weapon. If you didn't read the ad i made about handguns (and you dont feel like looking back to find it), i think that handguns can be bad, but if you ban them, citizens cant have them for protection, but the criminals will get them illegally anyway. plus banning handguns would stop some physically challenged to ever have the chance to hunt, even if they could only hunt small game. (Note: i am fully aware that a law was passed regarding handguns in every region. just stating an opinion)

Well, today i talked to you about five of the most important civil liberties in Atlasia. And while there are many, many others, i will stop here because i believe that you probably get the gist of my beliefs by now: While i stand on the left on many of these issues, i realize that there are alot of different views in District 1, senator, i want to represent them all. Thank you for your time, and thank you Q for bringing up this important vote.

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anyone who has any questions, feel free to ask.

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maybe we should have something in about gun rights, since thats a very big issue.

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

As far as im concerned, there is no or very little difference in civil rights between me and a convicted murderer. We're both Atlasians.

How so?  Unrestricted civil liberties don't apply to convicted murderers.

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

As far as im concerned, there is no or very little difference in civil rights between me and a convicted murderer. We're both Atlasians.

How so?  Unrestricted civil liberties don't apply to convicted murderers.

So you support freeing all criminals currently in prison?  Incarceration by definition is an infringement upon a person's right to freedom.

Where does it say anywhere that we have the right to leave prison if we're convicted? If they did the crime, they should do the time. Keeping them out infringes on my rights to life, liberty, and happiness( and yes, i know thats not in the constitution)BUT they are American and still deserve the right to the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion and many others including the right to life

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

As far as im concerned, there is no or very little difference in civil rights between me and a convicted murderer. We're both Atlasians.

How so?  Unrestricted civil liberties don't apply to convicted murderers.

So you support freeing all criminals currently in prison?  Incarceration by definition is an infringement upon a person's right to freedom.

Where does it say anywhere that we have the right to leave prison if we're convicted? If they did the crime, they should do the time. Keeping them out infringes on my rights to life, liberty, and happiness( and yes, i know thats not in the constitution)BUT they are American and still deserve the right to the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion and many others including the right to life

So you are saying that people do NOT have the right to freely associate and travel within the country?  Because by locking up criminals, we are infringing on their right to do so. 

i did not say they should have EVERY right, but rights like the right to life should most certainly be thiers

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

As far as im concerned, there is no or very little difference in civil rights between me and a convicted murderer. We're both Atlasians.

How so?  Unrestricted civil liberties don't apply to convicted murderers.

So you support freeing all criminals currently in prison?  Incarceration by definition is an infringement upon a person's right to freedom.

Where does it say anywhere that we have the right to leave prison if we're convicted? If they did the crime, they should do the time. Keeping them out infringes on my rights to life, liberty, and happiness( and yes, i know thats not in the constitution)BUT they are American and still deserve the right to the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion and many others including the right to life

So you are saying that people do NOT have the right to freely associate and travel within the country?  Because by locking up criminals, we are infringing on their right to do so. 

i did not say they should have EVERY right, but rights like the right to life should most certainly be thiers

Ok, so you agree with me that a criminal forfeits CERTAIN rights when they violate the rights of others, and are punished by the removal of those rights.  Good.

Now, is it the job of our organization to be deciding on which rights those are?  I would say it's much more important to be defending the rights of law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

absolutely. we may have to make a plank which taks about criminals rights.

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We also should have something showing our support for Gay Marriage, and only that, nothing less, and something on Affirmative Action, against it I would presume.

We should support civil unions. Gay marriage should be decided by individual churches.

i agree. separation of church and state means that the gov. has to stay out of church buisness as well.

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Disagree. The assault weapons ban was there for a reason. They are guns made to kill. I agree with the rest, though.

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Agree, but why just allow them to go topless? That's kind of intruding on people who wish to go nude in public's rights.

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I agree.


And Bono, I agree with your idea.

i would like to second everything said here.

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it looks good. i like it.

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Jake, would you consider joining us here in the ACLC?

Your views on abortion, even if you wind up disagreeing with what we eventually adopt as a platform plank, are welcome, as we are a diverse group.  Your perspective during such debates, I feel, will strengthen the final platform.  A lively discussion of the issues will be good for all of us.

If so, I'd like to forward a motion to hold a Caucus vote on his membership.

If it's going to be that way, can we hold a Caucus vote on whether or not you can be a member?

i believe that being able to request a caucus vote on somones membership was put into our original 'laws'. you could tecnically call an expulsion vote, but i doubt it would be very successful. after all, Max Power was just expressing his opinion that we should put serious consideration into allowing him in. i find nothing wrong with that. nor would i find anything wrong with you calling an expulsion vote, you would never get me to vote in favor of him leaving, however.

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Jake, would you consider joining us here in the ACLC?

Your views on abortion, even if you wind up disagreeing with what we eventually adopt as a platform plank, are welcome, as we are a diverse group.  Your perspective during such debates, I feel, will strengthen the final platform.  A lively discussion of the issues will be good for all of us.

If so, I'd like to forward a motion to hold a Caucus vote on his membership.

If it's going to be that way, can we hold a Caucus vote on whether or not you can be a member?

i believe that being able to request a caucus vote on somones membership was put into our original 'laws'. you could tecnically call an expulsion vote, but i doubt it would be very successful. after all, Max Power was just expressing his opinion that we should put serious consideration into allowing him in. i find nothing wrong with that. nor would i find anything wrong with you calling an expulsion vote, you would never get me to vote in favor of him leaving, however.

Thanks, LiberalPA, you're a true friend.

no problem. just standing up for what i believe in.

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I wasn't being completely serious in suggesting an expulsion.  I just think it's cocky for him to request a caucus vote on Jake's membership just because Jake doesn't support third trimester abortions.  Barring extreme circumstances, caucus votes on requested membership should not be used at any whim.

i understand what you are saying, but the by-laws state that a member can call a vote if they believe that the membership should be re-considered. thats what was done here.

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And Casey, what did the freedom of speech plank have to do with what I said about calling caucus votes?  Yes, I agree with the freedom of speech plank; that is why I do not advocate making it hard for people like Jake to join this caucus.

i believe he is trying to say that he should have the right to voice his opposition with no fear of being punished.

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Holding a vote would be a good idea.  Caucus members could choose on a plank that is decidedly pro choice (current plank), pro choice for the first half of pregnancy, neutral on the issue (not mentioned in the platform), or decidedly pro life.

i like that idea.

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This is just a suggestion, but maybe you should put a death penalty plank in the justice section of the platform.

we would probably have to hold a vote on that, too.

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i support plank 4, followed by plank 5.

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ill suggest Pikeville,PA. (thats where i live! W0oT!)

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i second my own suggestion of Pikeville, PA

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oh yeah....i forgot that we wanted a city that liked freedom and liberty....scratch my suggestion off the list then.

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CLEVELAND ROCKS!

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We should have our conference on top of that mountain.  First one to the top sets the agenda....GO!

well this is just great. the only shoes i brought are made of solid titanium. Go figure.