Palestine college student protest megathread

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I think that there should be a megathread and not several different outrage threads on this.

Tbf I literally said this a few days ago when people were making insinuations that I was wrong for discussing the protests in the biggest thread about the Orthodox Rabbi's original comments on the Columbia protest.

But yes, 100%.

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The hearing, conducted by an associate director of the university’s Center for Student Success and Intervention, was focused on an earlier comment he shared on social media, in which he discussed fighting a Zionist. “I don’t fight to injure or for there to be a winner or a loser, I fight to kill,” he wrote.

He told The Banner that at Columbia, he planned to study economics and political science. “The ultimate destination is Congress,” he said.

I'm sorry. What?

Please don't think I'm making light, his comments were despicable, but I don't think a return to an 1860's style cane-lashing style congress is what's needed in this environment. In any case, top tier weirdo and I'm glad his videos have only like 40-50 likes, but he should absolutely be shunned from any protests, let alone a hand in organizing anything.

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Lol, you're doing it again

Do all Zionists deserve to die, Horus?

The mod council isn't sending their best.

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Lol, you're doing it again

Do all Zionists deserve to die, Horus?

That remark was referring to what Crane very correctly stated about GMac's mentality. Nothing more, nothing less.

Besides, no matter how I answer you've already made up your mind up as to how you think I feel. So I'm not going to play your game.

I mean, it’s not a game.  Either you do or you don’t.  It’s simple question and your refusal to answer it is an answer in and of itself.

No actually, you don't get to ask leading questions over, and over, and over and then when the person gets sick of playing with you, declare they finally revealed their true intentions. Wth.

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Is there any proof, whatsoever, that any significant amount of the students protesting are international, or do you just see some muslims praying once or twice at a protest and make assumptions?

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Is there any proof, whatsoever, that any significant amount of the students protesting are international, or do you just see some muslims praying once or twice at a protest and make assumptions?

Yes — that most of the elite schools have large foreign percentages, and that many of the students interviewed have explicitly been identified/identified as being international students. Also, that many speak with foreign accents.

For example, data I previously posted suggested that 20% of Columbia undergrads were foreign students and 40% of the overall student body. Even if we presume that the demographics of Colombia students protesting perfectly mirror those of the student body, which seems unlikely (I would presume a foreign overrepresentation) that would mean that 2 in every 5 protestors is here on a visa (or illegally, given that Columbia accepts illegal immigrants.)

To be clear, I don't doubt there are international students among the protesters but OSR has now made this exact same post multiple times, and now a thread, and yet I haven't heard of any actual cases of international students warranting deportation or even arrest, beyond the arrests that have been made so far, the majority of which have been released afaik.

When that happens, and it still wouldn't mean anything at scale, then I suppose we can start with the hysterics and actually have a basis for conversation.

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I've just been treating the other 12 page thread as the 'de-facto' mega thread on these protests, but I definitely do believe there should be an official one.

https://twitter.com/Spacejunc/status/1784353017912779158

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https://twitter.com/edenxmm/status/1784285668895515108

Most sane 'I'm afraid for my life because of these protesters' type.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3dRSFL8A5M

Live feed. The protesters have announced that they won't leave until their demands are met, which is at the bare minimum divestment from weapons manufactures, or are moved by force.

Instead of good faith negotiations all they've done is weaponize the NYPD goons and make empty threats against any student they have leverage over.

I hope they stand firm. The people, and certainly the youth, of NY are with them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqVuqxl1zPc

Hundreds of students at University of Texas chanting "Who failed Uvalde? You failed Uvalde!" "Shame!" "We are all peaceful here, why are you in riot gear?"

Genuinely powerful stuff.

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We have one 'College campus megathread' and two other threads at over 5+ and 10+ pages now about the same thing, can we please have a mega thread? Pretty please?

Any way, this is a great video. Little Joel was able to sneak onto Columbia campus through a friend, and speak to the students. And for those who aren't aware, he himself is Jewish.

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A hilarious clip, in which one of the leaders demands that Columbia bring them food and water (while they illegally occupy campus buildings) for “humanitarian” reasons. At the root of it all is sort of a narcissistic jealousy that the Palestinians get to experience the excitement of hardship and oppression while they have to live their peaceful, wealthy, boring lives here in America.
https://twitter.com/tpostmillennial/status/1785386376755900611?s=46&t=o2Rmfe...

Seems far more likely that Columbia and NYPD are trying to starve them out, rather than this picture you're trying to paint of 'Entitled protesting kids want delivery, too!' Since the moment they leave to get supplies I doubt they'd be allowed to continue the protest.

Same tactics as always to suppress the people and speech. Hopefully they can figure out a way to get supplies in.

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If I had a degree or was going for a degree from Columbia I'd think about suing the "students" who have completely tanked Columbia's reputation. Pretty soon Columbia will be CUNY-Morningside.

Thankfully I don't have a Columbia degree (but someone in my family went there)

If that's all it takes, you have to wonder about the value of those degrees in the first place.

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Brown agrees to Israel divestment vote as House GOP digs in on antisemitism in a busy day for student protests

The college protests across the nation saw a slew of headline-grabbing developments on Tuesday, including the takeover of a building at Columbia University, a new House-wide effort by Republicans to investigate antisemitism and a major victory for activists at Brown University.  

The big success of the day for pro-Palestinian protesters came out of Brown, where President Christina Paxson announced Tuesday that students will end their encampment after an agreement was reached between school administrators and leaders of the protest to hold an Israel divestment vote.

The school agreed to let five students meet with the Corporation of Brown University in May to argue why they should vote to divest from companies associated with Israel or its war in Gaza. The Advisory Committee on University Resources Management will also provide recommendations related to divestment by the end of September, and the board will vote on the policy in October.

In exchange, students have agreed to take down the encampment and not violate the Rhode Island school’s rules around protesting through the end of the academic year, including during commencement.

“Another provision of the agreement relates to the application of Brown’s conduct code to students involved in the encampment. The establishment of tents and other related activities have violated a range of policies, and while Brown will continue to follow its conduct processes related to unauthorized activities, University leaders agreed that ending the encampment will be viewed favorably in disciplinary proceedings,” Paxson said.  

“The agreement also makes clear that reports of bias, harassment or discrimination received during the encampment will continue to be investigated. In addition, if the University receives new information about any conduct violations related to or following the encampment, students won’t be exempt from conduct proceedings for those violations,” she added.

That's a positive, and notably shows that the protesters contrary to the slander are rational people. And yet some continue to want to die on the hill of weapons manufacturers having a massive piece of the pie when it comes to educational endowments and investments. Why?

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Listening to a student right now who managed to leave and said she's at home now; and wasn't involved in any of the protests, but as the police were going dorm by dorm the journalist at NBC said that students were overwhelming against the police and shouting in support of their fellow students who were barricaded.

Also said that, as far a she saw in group chats, among students, etc that the mood even among students who were formerly not involved and not taking a side is that the administration and NYPD are making things worse and that there's a very strong movement to not have their fellow students punished in any way, let alone brutalized as they were today.

This won't be over with the encampments removal, that much is clear.

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Fascist counterprotestors, dressed every bit like proud boys, and old white men who absolutely aren't students or faculty, are attacking the administration-allowed encampment at UCLA right now.

The reason why I specifically mention 'old white men' is because some geezers were leading a contingent of younger guys in flipping off the encampment, throwing things at them, ripping apart the umbrella's they're using to stop the projectiles, etc.

Horrible, horrible sight.

Someone just tried to step in between, we'll see how that goes. Active situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bAl2VshnA

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Nice to see the brave Jewish students at UCLA take things into their own hands after their school failed them so completely.

Any argument you ever make about 'law and order' ever again ----> Out the window.

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Nice to see the brave Jewish students at UCLA take things into their own hands after their school failed them so completely.

Any argument you ever make about 'law and order' ever again ----> Out the window.

Defending yourself against a mob when the corrupt authorities refuse to IS law and order.

You don't get to go to the "mob", heavy use on air quotes there, and claim you are defending yourself.

Thanks Kyle Rittenhouse.

This post is deranged vigilantism and I thank you for it, cause it's just the real angst y'all have been hiding behind the police.

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https://twitter.com/NYPDChiefPatrol/status/1785815369178845479
I'm sorry, what exactly is the 'Chief of Patrol' doing tweeting stuff like this,

Remember everyone , if you want change , seek the change you want by getting involved. Then you know what to do….

Like holy, talk about mask-off. Glad NYC has leaders like Cabán on the rise.

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https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1785851984211247155

These are the 'foreign, outside influences' that apparently are the bulk of the protest movement. Lmao.

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https://twitter.com/LittleMammith/status/1788015534753394766

it's hilarious how frequently the protestors either say ignorant things or run away from questions/cameras because they know they are going to say ignorant things.  And not even from the brave souls there trolling them, but from the friendly to them mainstream press too.

why are so many people protesting something that they don't understand?

https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1787213497908035650
https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1787214503077204307
Good thread that pretty much explains my thoughts on this issue.

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The larger point: Cops literally go into these crowds of protesters with cameras, camera sticks, disguised cameras, etc. Before any crimes have been committed btw, just to gather as many faces and op-sec as possible.

That isn't even to mention the counterprotestors who love to spend their days doxxing anyone in, near or supporting an encampment or protesters.

The picture looks like three people, with the crowd blurred in the back and a guy filming them. Obviously Times has edited it for a more 'evocative' feel, almost revolutionary, but ignoring the above context is what leads to the above takes I think.

In 2020 most protesters wore Covid masks, for obvious reasons, but that was also quite convenient for protecting ones identity, too. American police are thuggish goons and depending on the situation it can absolutely be necessary to conceal your identity, even if you've done nothing wrong or crossed no lines, to protect yourself.