Mueller report thread - Mueller testimony July 24

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Scott Pelley just begin 60 Minutes by saying, "The Mueller Report findings completely exonerate President Donald Trump".

Today is a Reaganfan sort of day.

How when this is contrary Mueller and Barr stated?

Firstly, prosecutors should not be making any statements regarding "exonerating" persons.

Secondly, there are no indictments, no "unindicted co-conspirators" named (Nixon was named an "unindicted co-conspirator") and no plans for indictments.  None.  And this was a criminal investigation; indeed, it was THE criminal investigation, since DoJ was pushed aside. 

Except he isn't an "exonerated" person, if he was you wouldn't have had to put it in quotations in the first place. The investigation was, at best, inconclusive in the same sense that a hung jury is--there was (according to Barr) not enough evidence to formally indict, but enough there that Trump could've done it.

For a prosecutor to say that a person who has been under a criminal investigation is "exonerated" or "not exonerated" is not their job.  Their job is to decide whether or not there is sufficient probable cause for an indictment.  In a case such as this, where there is a Constitutional issue as to whether or not a sitting President can be indicted, determining whether the President was an "unindicted co-conspirator" or whether the President's behavior would rise to the level of meriting an indictment were he/she not President.  If the facts don't rise to that level, the matter should be left at that, with the facts of the record available.

We would not consider it acceptable for a Prosecutor declining to indict a member of your family, then going on TV or publishing a document suggesting the person was guilty, talking about all the evidence we had, as in "We tried, but we fell short!".  Such an approach isn't appropriate here, either.  I've listened to a number of ignorant blowhards blather how "The President is not above the law!".  Well, yes, I agree, but the President is not below the law, either. 

Mueller never said that there wasn’t enough evidence to indict Trump for Obstruction of Justice and the fact that he didn’t offer any conclusions on that question is extremely strange and rather troubling, to say the least.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I’m trying to resist the temptation to comment much in this thread until we know what the report actually says, but I should point out that the Mueller probe has actually brought in a net of roughly $23 million more than it cost.  This isn’t merely my opinion, it’s an objective fact.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I always enjoy watching Fox News, but I have immensely enjoyed watching it this week. #RussiaHoax

I would be embarrassed if I were a CNN or MSNBC anchor showing up for ‘work’ in recent days. The MSM’s credibility has been shattered. Lie after lie. Disgraceful.

And the corrupt DOJ officials and prominent figures around H. Clinton, herself included, are in heaps of criminal trouble.

You indeed got the biggest scandal since Watergate. The closet the US has ever gotten to an actual coup. What a disgrace.

The left still doesn’t understand why Trump won in 2016. They don’t take personal responsibility for their failings (ever) and they are currently digging a massive hole for themselves. As I said - it’s great to watch!

Always fun to hear the party that backed a pedophile for Senate, supports a President who was recorded bragging about sexually assaulting multiple women, and that fought tooth-and-nail to put an attempted rapist on the Supreme Court talk about the importance of taking responsibility for one’s failings.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I always enjoy watching Fox News, but I have immensely enjoyed watching it this week. #RussiaHoax

I would be embarrassed if I were a CNN or MSNBC anchor showing up for ‘work’ in recent days. The MSM’s credibility has been shattered. Lie after lie. Disgraceful.

And the corrupt DOJ officials and prominent figures around H. Clinton, herself included, are in heaps of criminal trouble.

You indeed got the biggest scandal since Watergate. The closet the US has ever gotten to an actual coup. What a disgrace.

The left still doesn’t understand why Trump won in 2016. They don’t take personal responsibility for their failings (ever) and they are currently digging a massive hole for themselves. As I said - it’s great to watch!

Always fun to hear the party that backed a pedophile for Senate, supports a President who was recorded bragging about sexually assaulting multiple women, and that fought tooth-and-nail to put an attempted rapist on the Supreme Court talk about the importance of taking responsibility for one’s failings.

Firstly, nothing against Roy Moore has been proven (although the accusation by the girl who stated that Moore forced himself on her is the worst of the allegations and the most credible). 

Secondly, Moore was elected in a primary.  He was not the GOP's organization choice (indeed, Trump supported the incumbent, Luther Strange) and large swaths of the national GOP disavowed Moore's candidacy.  (That's one major reason he lost.)

While I don't give Trump high marks for introspection, let's note how Hillary Clinton has never taken responsibility for her own poor decisions.  It's a reason she lost.  I don't expect the Left of Schiff, Jeffries, et al to take responsibility for advancing assertions about Donald Trump that they can't prove.  (Of course, he's Trump, so lying about him is OK, isn't it?)  There IS a need for greater personal responsibility taken in our society, but please don't tell me that liberals are leading the way on this.

I’m not saying liberals are leading the way on that and there are many reasons Hillary lost, although I think the criticisms you’re making don’t necessarily apply to Schiff (Hakeem Jeffries?  Yes, absolutely applies to him and it’s among the reasons I’ve really soured on him lately), I’m merely pointing out that the Republican Party has been awful about accepting personal responsibility and far worse about it than the Democrats.  And say what you will, but until Virginia (where we now have a rapist as the Democratic LG), the Democrats *were* kinda leading the way on this beginning with forcing Franken and Conyers to resign.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I always enjoy watching Fox News, but I have immensely enjoyed watching it this week. #RussiaHoax

I would be embarrassed if I were a CNN or MSNBC anchor showing up for ‘work’ in recent days. The MSM’s credibility has been shattered. Lie after lie. Disgraceful.

And the corrupt DOJ officials and prominent figures around H. Clinton, herself included, are in heaps of criminal trouble.

You indeed got the biggest scandal since Watergate. The closet the US has ever gotten to an actual coup. What a disgrace.

The left still doesn’t understand why Trump won in 2016. They don’t take personal responsibility for their failings (ever) and they are currently digging a massive hole for themselves. As I said - it’s great to watch!

Always fun to hear the party that backed a pedophile for Senate, supports a President who was recorded bragging about sexually assaulting multiple women, and that fought tooth-and-nail to put an attempted rapist on the Supreme Court talk about the importance of taking responsibility for one’s failings.

Firstly, nothing against Roy Moore has been proven (although the accusation by the girl who stated that Moore forced himself on her is the worst of the allegations and the most credible). 

Secondly, Moore was elected in a primary.  He was not the GOP's organization choice (indeed, Trump supported the incumbent, Luther Strange) and large swaths of the national GOP disavowed Moore's candidacy.  (That's one major reason he lost.)

While I don't give Trump high marks for introspection, let's note how Hillary Clinton has never taken responsibility for her own poor decisions.  It's a reason she lost.  I don't expect the Left of Schiff, Jeffries, et al to take responsibility for advancing assertions about Donald Trump that they can't prove.  (Of course, he's Trump, so lying about him is OK, isn't it?)  There IS a need for greater personal responsibility taken in our society, but please don't tell me that liberals are leading the way on this.

https://qz.com/1077873/hillary-clinton-book-how-many-times-clinton-apologized-in-what-happened/

Yes, Hillary Clinton has never had any introspection or responsibility or apology for her own mistakes. Let’s please get out of here with that vicious lie.

To be fair, she really hasn’t

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I always enjoy watching Fox News, but I have immensely enjoyed watching it this week. #RussiaHoax

I would be embarrassed if I were a CNN or MSNBC anchor showing up for ‘work’ in recent days. The MSM’s credibility has been shattered. Lie after lie. Disgraceful.

And the corrupt DOJ officials and prominent figures around H. Clinton, herself included, are in heaps of criminal trouble.

You indeed got the biggest scandal since Watergate. The closet the US has ever gotten to an actual coup. What a disgrace.

The left still doesn’t understand why Trump won in 2016. They don’t take personal responsibility for their failings (ever) and they are currently digging a massive hole for themselves. As I said - it’s great to watch!

Always fun to hear the party that backed a pedophile for Senate, supports a President who was recorded bragging about sexually assaulting multiple women, and that fought tooth-and-nail to put an attempted rapist on the Supreme Court talk about the importance of taking responsibility for one’s failings.

Firstly, nothing against Roy Moore has been proven (although the accusation by the girl who stated that Moore forced himself on her is the worst of the allegations and the most credible). 

Secondly, Moore was elected in a primary.  He was not the GOP's organization choice (indeed, Trump supported the incumbent, Luther Strange) and large swaths of the national GOP disavowed Moore's candidacy.  (That's one major reason he lost.)

While I don't give Trump high marks for introspection, let's note how Hillary Clinton has never taken responsibility for her own poor decisions.  It's a reason she lost.  I don't expect the Left of Schiff, Jeffries, et al to take responsibility for advancing assertions about Donald Trump that they can't prove.  (Of course, he's Trump, so lying about him is OK, isn't it?)  There IS a need for greater personal responsibility taken in our society, but please don't tell me that liberals are leading the way on this.

https://qz.com/1077873/hillary-clinton-book-how-many-times-clinton-apologized-in-what-happened/

Yes, Hillary Clinton has never had any introspection or responsibility or apology for her own mistakes. Let’s please get out of here with that vicious lie.

To be fair, she really hasn’t

Except for where it's easy to verify that she in fact has.

I mean, if by that you mean she's blamed everyone from Bernie Sanders to the FBI (even Obama on at least one occasion if memory serves) then sure   Also, a lot of the quotes from that link are either listed with little-to-know context as to what she's even talking about (the one about the deplorable comment being a notable exception) or are disingenuous at best such as her claim that "I [Hillary] apologized [for the e-mails], I explained, I explained, and apologized some more." 

At best, she deliberately and repeatedly mislead the American people during the campaign in an effort to avoid taking responsibility for her reckless and highly irresponsible conduct.  She then started attacking a legitimate, credible and highly professional FBI investigation (which ultimately disappointed many in the opposing party when it didn't result in an indictment against her) as a politically-motivated witch hunt and tried to smear James Comey in the hopes that her party's partisans would trust the talking points they were spoon-fed by professional talking heads more than a major U.S. law enforcement agency.  Come to think of it, that sounds awfully familiar... 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'm going to want to see the actual report before drawing any conclusions. Pretty clear that Barr is extremely biased, but I don't want to make too much out of vague statements.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1115614303611183109

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1115625419460546561

So the unredacted report gets subpoenaed next week?  Got it.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The conclusion remains that the heifer was not exonerated.

But there was not even enough evidence to charge. 

No, that wasn't what was stated. Pretty much that only thing protecting Trump is that a sitting President cannot be indicted. Mueller said he could be charged post presidency.

Actually, Mueller said that this was not a factor. 

He directly said it was "The" factor.

Mueller could have named Trump an unindicted co-conspirator if that were the case.  Guess what.  He didn't. 

Guess what?  SDNY did.