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Chancellor Tanterterg
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« on: January 19, 2019, 07:04:58 PM »

If he doesn't adequately address this sort of nonsense on the campaign trail, IDK if I can vote for him in the primary.  Hashtag isolationism is the last thing America needs right now.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2019, 06:17:05 PM »

If you read the provisions of the bill, it's clear that it's more than just a generic support for "Ukraine's territorial integrity". The bill included specific provisions to greatly empower the President, the State Department, and the Defense Department to intervene in the country in order to 'stabilise' their economy and further enhance security operations with NATO, which is about the last thing that needed to be done.

If he doesn't adequately address this sort of nonsense on the campaign trail, IDK if I can vote for him in the primary.  Hashtag isolationism is the last thing America needs right now.

Not exactly sure how this equals isolationism, but I can assure you that non-intervention in the Ukraine is far superior to the belligerence that U.S. foreign policy has demonstrated since the Second World War

Protecting The Ukraine from Russian aggression is exactly what we need to be doing.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2019, 08:42:06 AM »

If you read the provisions of the bill, it's clear that it's more than just a generic support for "Ukraine's territorial integrity". The bill included specific provisions to greatly empower the President, the State Department, and the Defense Department to intervene in the country in order to 'stabilise' their economy and further enhance security operations with NATO, which is about the last thing that needed to be done.

If he doesn't adequately address this sort of nonsense on the campaign trail, IDK if I can vote for him in the primary.  Hashtag isolationism is the last thing America needs right now.

Not exactly sure how this equals isolationism, but I can assure you that non-intervention in the Ukraine is far superior to the belligerence that U.S. foreign policy has demonstrated since the Second World War

Protecting The Ukraine from Russian aggression is exactly what we need to be doing.

Why?

You circa 1938:

Person: "Protecting the Czechs from German aggression is exactly what we should be doing."

You: "Why?"

*All while thinking you are deep and just Question More*

Bruh, it's not about thinking I am deep. He asserted that protecting the Ukraine from Russian aggression is exactly what we need to be doing, and I asked him to back up that claim. Simple as that, really. Since the post I responded to gave my own reasons for why I would not have voted for the Ukraine Support Act (including that it includes intervenes in the Ukraine's economy and furthers American ties to NATO), and he didn't even attempt to give a rebuttal, I think I am justified in asking him why meddling in the Ukraine is any of our business.

And believe it or not, yeah, we shouldn't have "protected" Czechs from German aggression, either. You don't fight imperialism with more imperialism.

It’s not that I didn’t attempt a rebuttal although tbf I can understand how it could seem that way from your PoV.  I’m trying to balance a lot of stuff in my life right now and Atlas is not one of my top priorities, plus I can’t always tell when folks actually want to have a serious discussion (hence the short replies that don’t take as much time).  Since it sounds like you are actually curious why I feel the way I do re: Ukraine (even if I can already tell we have very different foreign policy worldviews), I will post a more detailed response when I have time.  Fair enough?
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