The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open)

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Is Euron still alive, by any chance?  I'm trying to figure out who the remaining canon antagonists are

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Badgate has first preference on Euron as the Ironborn player, then it's open for request.

Is there any chance I could possibly join as Ramsay?  I know my gameplay would be limited this turn and wouldn't mind.  And who knows?  It may even get less limited down the road

Edit: The real tragedy of this turn is that Lysa was killed off   I would've absolutely loved to have re-joined as Lysa post-LF's death.  Now the only playable Vale characters are both pretty low-energy.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Yohn is pretty much a must have right now I'd say

Very well.  It wouldn't be my preferred choice, but I'll re-join as Bronze Yohn. 

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Is this supposed to imply that Damphair and Euron are working together? That sounds...odd.

No, they're just there. No actual conspiracy at all (they still deeply dislike each other).

Out of curiosity, who were the others who almost died this turn?

If a few orders have gone slightly different, Viserys, Drogo and Tyrion.

Are there any other characters open? I'd be interested in taking Mance Rayder.

The full list is up in the thread, but if you can have Mance Rayder.

Wait Euron sexually abused Aeron? Is he a well known rapist in the books?

Probably, but either way, he definitely molested Aeron.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

For the record, this turn starts on Tuesday night.

Will we get player crises, or at the least the troop numbers/map post too?  That stuff's kinda important

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

For the record, this turn starts on Tuesday night.

Will we get player crises, or at the least the troop numbers/map post too?  That stuff's kinda important

I'm trying to do that, yes. Tuesday night hasn't ended yet (although I do have a different timezone).

Fair enough.  As you were

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Very personal, actually, but I'll survive.  *snip*

I hope everything's alright!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Very personal, actually, but I'll survive.  *snip*

I hope everything's alright!

Thank you! But no, it really isn't.

Turn is up, but it's very simple on the "crisis" for each player given the current circumstances (hope you won't mind). I do have a proposal, since I think I went overboard by having Lysa Arryn kill herself after learning about Baelish's death. Lysa would be an interesting factor to be playable, and in that sense I was wondering whether X would be interested in playing as Lysa (which I believe is the case) and whether people would complain about this retcon.

I'll wait until tomorrow night for responses and then edit either Royce or Lysa into the turn.

I'd absolutely love to switch to Lysa

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Very personal, actually, but I'll survive.  *snip*

I hope everything's alright!

Thank you! But no, it really isn't.

Turn is up, but it's very simple on the "crisis" for each player given the current circumstances (hope you won't mind). I do have a proposal, since I think I went overboard by having Lysa Arryn kill herself after learning about Baelish's death. Lysa would be an interesting factor to be playable, and in that sense I was wondering whether X would be interested in playing as Lysa (which I believe is the case) and whether people would complain about this retcon.

I'll wait until tomorrow night for responses and then edit either Royce or Lysa into the turn.

I say you make it a botched suicide attempt. That would make early reports of her death and Yohn's powergrab attempt at leadership make sense while reinforcing the instability and psychological issues we've come to know and love from Lysa. If you want to go extreme with it, have it leave a mark so her crazy inside can be matched by a crazy outside.

Nah, the Vale Lords would probably just ignore/depose her then   Plus it'd rob the Vale of it's most competent commander which hardly seems fair.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Very personal, actually, but I'll survive.  *snip*

I hope everything's alright!

Thank you! But no, it really isn't.

Turn is up, but it's very simple on the "crisis" for each player given the current circumstances (hope you won't mind). I do have a proposal, since I think I went overboard by having Lysa Arryn kill herself after learning about Baelish's death. Lysa would be an interesting factor to be playable, and in that sense I was wondering whether X would be interested in playing as Lysa (which I believe is the case) and whether people would complain about this retcon.

I'll wait until tomorrow night for responses and then edit either Royce or Lysa into the turn.

I say you make it a botched suicide attempt. That would make early reports of her death and Yohn's powergrab attempt at leadership make sense while reinforcing the instability and psychological issues we've come to know and love from Lysa. If you want to go extreme with it, have it leave a mark so her crazy inside can be matched by a crazy outside.

Nah, the Vale Lords would probably just ignore/depose her then  Plus it'd rob the Vale of it's most competent commander which hardly seems fair.

If they didn't already, when she married LF? No way. Especially Yohn; no way he'd disrespect Jon Arryn's memory and sully his honor by trying to keep power after he found out Lysa was still alive (and still held his liegelord).

Presumably that would be retconed too as I only asked Swedge to do it b/c I believed Lysa was dead.  Nice try, but it's pretty obvious what your real agenda is

Also I'm not gonna switch if it's under the conditions Dereich described because...well...I'm not stupid  It'd really be a shame too because I had some really fun ideas about what Lysa might do in this situation that could've made the game a lot less predictable and even more fun for everyone than it already is

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Very personal, actually, but I'll survive.  *snip*

I hope everything's alright!

Thank you! But no, it really isn't.

Turn is up, but it's very simple on the "crisis" for each player given the current circumstances (hope you won't mind). I do have a proposal, since I think I went overboard by having Lysa Arryn kill herself after learning about Baelish's death. Lysa would be an interesting factor to be playable, and in that sense I was wondering whether X would be interested in playing as Lysa (which I believe is the case) and whether people would complain about this retcon.

I'll wait until tomorrow night for responses and then edit either Royce or Lysa into the turn.

I say you make it a botched suicide attempt. That would make early reports of her death and Yohn's powergrab attempt at leadership make sense while reinforcing the instability and psychological issues we've come to know and love from Lysa. If you want to go extreme with it, have it leave a mark so her crazy inside can be matched by a crazy outside.

Nah, the Vale Lords would probably just ignore/depose her then  Plus it'd rob the Vale of it's most competent commander which hardly seems fair.

If they didn't already, when she married LF? No way. Especially Yohn; no way he'd disrespect Jon Arryn's memory and sully his honor by trying to keep power after he found out Lysa was still alive (and still held his liegelord).

Presumably that would be retconed too as I only asked Swedge to do it b/c I believed Lysa was dead.  Nice try, but it's pretty obvious what your real agenda is

Also I'm not gonna switch if it's under the conditions Dereich described because...well...I'm not stupid  It'd really be a shame too because I had some really fun ideas about what Lysa might do in this situation that could've made the game a lot less predictable and even more fun for everyone than it already is

My real agenda is to make a better story that makes sense in the universe, as it always is. Lysa is emotional, dramatic, and utterly devoted to Petyr Bailish. Her at very least attempting a showy suicide attempt after his death makes much more sense than her taking sudden, violent death in stride. She found his body, stabbed and bloody for gods sake. I think it would be OOC any other way.

That's because you haven't thought of every possibility   There is another very IC possibility...  I also think there's something to be said for letting folks play characters their own way when doing so would not effect gameplay.  And your idea regarding Royce doesn't do anything except help the enemies of the Vale.

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I have no objections IF X commits to her unpredictability and insanity. Then it very much would make the game more interesting

And I have confidence he will do that.

I give you my word that I will commit to that 110%

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Okay then, I'll add Lysa into the turn and retcon the events. Short story, she attempted to kill herself at the moment, was stopped by Sansa (for irony points).

Excellent!

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When does this turn end?

Friday, I'd assume

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Any deaths?

Haven't made my list of orders yet, there were many changes during the last days and I have a mess to solve. Still, it doesn't feel like many players will die (probably a lot of NPC's).

I'm sure someone will find a way

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

End of turn will have to pushed a bit, university has been heavily demanding. Dice rolls are ready though, and you were indeed right. We have three deaths, plus a gameover.

!!!!!!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

End of turn will have to pushed a bit, university has been heavily demanding. Dice rolls are ready though, and you were indeed right. We have three deaths, plus a gameover.

How many NPCs?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Well,
Catelyn is probably dead as she has no popularity left.

I think Lysa Arryn is dead too. X is a cunning player but he likes roleplaying so he could play the insane in order to fit Lysa Arryn well even if he knows what he's doing would mean his loss.

And the last one, well, I don't know.

I'm playing Lysa 110% IC even when doing so is disadvantageous for me.

I think Roose, Edric, and Viserys are dead and that either Catelyn or Lysa got a game over.

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Lumine when you say "x people will die", could you tell us the names please? Because it makes me so anxious lol

No way! Creating anticipation is the whole reason for telling us!

I 100% agree with Dereich on this.

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Kevan lives as well. If Dereich doesn't mind and wants to take over the Lannisters too I'll allow it, though.

The Tullys are a complicated situation since they are not going to listen to the Northern Lords anymore. If there's no players interested in them I suppose they could be left under X as Lysa.

Sounds good to me.  Dereich can have the Lannisters and I can have the Riverland armies/territory.  I don't think the Hightower faction should automatically go for Aegon though.  Maybe a dice roll, but that one seems like a bit off a Reach.  Thank you, I'll be here all week

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I mean come on:

Me: "Well, I have my 25,000 army + the Dorne army as I as the son of Elia Martell, I just landed in Oldtown in order to help you win the Reach, you know the area where you are struggling against Randyl Tarly and that the only thing that can make you win is our army."

Hightower: "Oh no, I think it is a bad idea, let's fight you and the Tarlys at the same time because this is so rationale to do that, let's make the Hightower great again"


I mean, I'm not a whiner so I won't make a scandal about that, but I mean, X getting the Riverland army with a free pass (which I support because I don't want to complicate things) should be more difficult for him than me getting the support of the Hightowers considering the recent events.

Not really, Catelyn is completely discredited and Lysa is the natural rallying point for the RiverLords of the remaining characters as you yourself agreed less than 24 hours ago  

Aegon is (like Lumine said) a complete unknown who can't just realistically expect to just magically win over everyone.  For all we know, he could easily be some smallfolk being passed off as a Targaryen and everyone thinks Aegon is dead.  If it's as common sense as you say, why not offer the Hightowers something for their loyalty

Unlike Aegon, Lysa has a strong, bloodline-based connection to the Riverlands (which is more than anyone else can say ).  With Catelyn done with politics, it'd go to Lysa by Westrosi law.  OTOH, you're kind of just saying you should get the Hightowers' loyalty because you landed there.  No offense, but I'm pretty sure Lysa objectively has a much stronger claim to The RiverLords loyalty than Aegon does to House Hightower's loyalty.

I'm not exactly leaping for joy at the prospect of taking over as sole Team Tommen player; I'm more than willing to do it if need be, but the interests of House Lannister and House Tarly aren't always going to be the same and it'd feel...wrong to not have a Lannister player. I suppose I set it up by getting myself named Hand, but I don't view the situation as ideal.

And why exactly (in-game) would Lysa Arryn be getting control of the Riverlands? It's not like Catelyn has DIED; she and her children are still the rulers of Riverrun. The Valelords have reasons for putting up with Lysa's insanity. But the Riverlanders? Not a chance they willingly put themselves under her yoke. I'd like that idea explained more thoroughly.

The Riverlanders don't know about Lysa's insanity   Catelyn's children have no claim to the Riverlands, btw.  Or rather, Lysa's would come ahead of their claim (Catelyn's children are Starks, not Tullys).  Given that for all intents and purposes as far as the game is concerned, Catelyn might as well be dead and has reached a game over, the Riverlands armies and control of the Riverlands itself would by rights go to Lysa for all our purposes (since leaving the Riverlands in disorganized stasis makes no sense, but I can see why a pro-Tommen player would want to take the Riverlands out of the game).  Of course, you knew that already and it's pretty obvious why you're trying to take the Riverlands out of the game

But if we're going to make questionable arguments to keep players from getting armies, surely letting a player switch from one character to a next mid-game the way Dereich has proposed sets a dubious precedent.

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I mean come on:

Me: "Well, I have my 25,000 army + the Dorne army as I as the son of Elia Martell, I just landed in Oldtown in order to help you win the Reach, you know the area where you are struggling against Randyl Tarly and that the only thing that can make you win is our army."

Hightower: "Oh no, I think it is a bad idea, let's fight you and the Tarlys at the same time because this is so rationale to do that, let's make the Hightower great again"


I mean, I'm not a whiner so I won't make a scandal about that, but I mean, X getting the Riverland army with a free pass (which I support because I don't want to complicate things) should be more difficult for him than me getting the support of the Hightowers considering the recent events.

Not really, Catelyn is completely discredited and Lysa is the natural rallying point for the RiverLords of the remaining characters as you yourself agreed less than 24 hours ago  

Aegon is (like Lumine said) a complete unknown who can't just realistically expect to just magically win over everyone.  For all we know, he could easily be some smallfolk being passed off as a Targaryen and everyone thinks Aegon is dead.  If it's as common sense as you say, why not offer the Hightowers something for their loyalty

Unlike Aegon, Lysa has a strong, bloodline-based connection to the Riverlands (which is more than anyone else can say ).  With Catelyn done with politics, it'd go to Lysa by Westrosi law.  OTOH, you're kind of just saying you should get the Hightowers' loyalty because you landed there.  No offense, but I'm pretty sure Lysa objectively has a much stronger claim to The RiverLords loyalty than Aegon does to House Hightower's loyalty.

Catelyn decided to stop being Regent of the North. She is still Lady Paramount of the Riverlands, and if she wasn't anymore, her children would become Lord/Lady of the Riverlands before Lysa would have this title.

And I claim the Hightower support because I was recognized as the Heir of Viserys, and that the Hightowers are literally beinfg heavily dependent of the Dorne-Targaryen if they ever want to take control of the Reach, a difficult scenario and impossible without Leonard/my help.

And for the record, you launching a full assault against the targaryen fleet made me laugh so much, so insane, so Lysa

Re: The bolded part: No offense, but some of this just comes across as semantic trolling.  It was pretty obvious that if the North revolted against her, she certainly had no pull left in the Riverlands.  Cat's kids are Starks, not Tullys so Lysa's claim comes before their claim.  It's like how Joffrey would've had no meaningful claim to Casterly Rock after Tywin died even though he's Cersei's son.

- Sounds like it shouldn't be hard for you to win over the Hightowers in negotiations then

- I'll have you know that the naval assault broke the Targaryen fleet.  Viserys attacked the Vale and where is he now?  Dead, that's where.  Any other Targaryens floating around would do well to remember that...

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I mean come on:

Me: "Well, I have my 25,000 army + the Dorne army as I as the son of Elia Martell, I just landed in Oldtown in order to help you win the Reach, you know the area where you are struggling against Randyl Tarly and that the only thing that can make you win is our army."

Hightower: "Oh no, I think it is a bad idea, let's fight you and the Tarlys at the same time because this is so rationale to do that, let's make the Hightower great again"


I mean, I'm not a whiner so I won't make a scandal about that, but I mean, X getting the Riverland army with a free pass (which I support because I don't want to complicate things) should be more difficult for him than me getting the support of the Hightowers considering the recent events.

Not really, Catelyn is completely discredited and Lysa is the natural rallying point for the RiverLords of the remaining characters as you yourself agreed less than 24 hours ago  

Aegon is (like Lumine said) a complete unknown who can't just realistically expect to just magically win over everyone.  For all we know, he could easily be some smallfolk being passed off as a Targaryen and everyone thinks Aegon is dead.  If it's as common sense as you say, why not offer the Hightowers something for their loyalty

Unlike Aegon, Lysa has a strong, bloodline-based connection to the Riverlands (which is more than anyone else can say ).  With Catelyn done with politics, it'd go to Lysa by Westrosi law.  OTOH, you're kind of just saying you should get the Hightowers' loyalty because you landed there.  No offense, but I'm pretty sure Lysa objectively has a much stronger claim to The RiverLords loyalty than Aegon does to House Hightower's loyalty.

Catelyn is done with politics, but I can't imagine ANY circumstance where that'd mean she was giving up her (and thus her children's) claims to Riverrun. Besides that, the "natural rallying point of the Riverlords" isn't going to be Lysa (an at least half-mad woman who has been away for decades) it'd be the Blackfish (who is present, well-respected, and male). The question really is "why would the Blackfish obey his craaaazy niece's orders without question?"

Lysa has a stronger claim than the Blackfish or Catelyn's children though.

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How on earth is Lysa's claim better when she is an Arryn and so is her son lol? If anything Catelyn and her children come before as they have heirs to spare, and Lysa's irregularities are known enough that Tyrion can remark on it. Either way Catelyn's claim is better... The Blackfish would come after and honestly rule the Riverlands in truth I reckon.

Catelyn forfeited her claim, but of course, that is a rather inconvenient truth for enemies of Edric's faction, I suppose.

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Also you're being peevish and assuming; why would the Riverlords loyalty waver from Edric in any case when they have followed him down the rabbit hole thus far? I think that course more likely for the Riverlords than supporting Aegon for instance

I would add however that few houses have done anything to actually relieve the Riverlords and aid them more than the Starks. The Royce's would follow on that list

I apologize if I assumed ill intent where none existed (it's been a long day ) although I do genuinely believe the RiverLords would gravitate to Lysa under the present circumstances, especially in places like Maidenpool, Raventree Hall, The Twins, and Riverrun.  The rest of the RiverLords might be a bit more reluctant, but they'd side with her initially and see how things went, I think.