The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open)

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

So I guess Viserys and the Robert bastard are the frontrunners right ?

Viserys, Edric, and Tommen are in a tight three-way battle, I think.  Edric has legitimacy and the broadest coalition, Viserys has the best strategic position and will likely take KL soon, and Tommen has manpower and money.

That is VERY CLEARLY not the case; to view Edric as legitimate ignores the very very strong stigma against bastardy in Westeros. It's well established that only the monarch can legitimize a bastard and there has been no suggestion that Robert ever legitimized Edric. The realm (partially excepting Dorne) has refused in the past to treat bastards as real claimants for good reasons; accepting them debases marriage (wrecking political alliances and trashing promises to the Faith), they are living reminders of their lordly parent's sins and failures as people, they are are themselves treated by society at large as an untrustworthy and devious (see Snow, Ramsay/Jon), and perhaps most importantly the LAST time a royal bastard was legitimized it led to FIVE CIVIL WARS, wars that living Westerosi have fought in.

If you want to use the House Baratheon claim, don't think Tommen is Robert's son, and think that Renly's reign was anywhere close to having legitimacy the only possible claimant is Shireen. Of the three I'd argue that Edric has the least legitimacy; both Viserys and Tommen (supposedly) were legitimate and acknowledged offspring of royal marriages.

No one can hear your mad ramblings in that dungeon you're wasting away in

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The end of turn will be up tonight! And we are in for a decisive turn, gentlemen.

Ok, well, I'll just say that I've had a great time playing. I thank everyone for being great players. If any member of family is alive after this turn, I might play them.

Some might not be available, to be fair

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'm very excited to see where we end up! Best of luck everyone

This, except for folks whose interests run counter to my own

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

*Mic drop*

Rest in Peace, my dear uncle Vic

Welcome back Badgate!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'll take on Roose Bolton if he's available.

Edit: Also, Dereich is absolutely right about Edric's claim. It's why Edmure was so very much on the fence about declaring his loyalty for so long

Well that certainly doesn't raise any concerns about GameRoose's loyalty

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'll take on Roose Bolton if he's available.

Edit: Also, Dereich is absolutely right about Edric's claim. It's why Edmure was so very much on the fence about declaring his loyalty for so long

Well that certainly doesn't raise any concerns about GameRoose's loyalty

Ehh, I can set aside my personal feelings to play a character as they would act in the books.

Speaking of which, now Edmure's dead, I will finally ask: what the feck was Eddard Stark doing declaring for Renly over Stannis? I blame Ned for everything. Everything!

It's not like Roose ever betrayed the Starks in the books  I'm just saying if you do try that it won't catch anyone off guard.

Renly was clearly the only person with a legitimate claim.

Also why did the Tullys abandon the fight to save the Riverlands?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Honestly Lumine,
The only thing that ed up in this game is the Stannis-Viserys alliance, it should have never happened. But the rest is really good!

The Stannis-Viserys alliance IS odd, but at least there was a conversation in the books where Stannis admitted the hardship he had in choosing between his Targaryen King and his brother. You could spin out a "Stannis looking for redemption for a mistake" storyline with a lot of GM leeway. There is at least a bit more evidence for it than the Ned Stark-Renly alliance; that one makes zero sense with what we know of Ned.

Oh yes true as well, the renly-ned alliance made 0 sense too.

But Renly was the one with a legitimate claim

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Ok, I'll defend the decision to ally with Renly.

First, he had hardly any allies in King's Landing. As evidenced in the Arya POV, he probably knew at that moment that everyone was for Renly. Then, he had his daughters. We've seen in the books that he's been willing to sacrifice his own honor for their safety.

Also, he was Robert's hand, and knew what selecting a King based on his ability to fight has gotten them. He also had Renly on the council, so he already knew a little bit about his ability to rule.

Last, but not least, Stannis declared Ned a traitor before Ned did anything.

"It struck him suddenly that he might return to Winterfell by sea. Ned was no sailor, and ordinarily would have preferred the kingsroad, but if he took ship he could stop at Dragonstone and speak with Stannis Baratheon. Pycelle had sent a raven off across the water, with a polite letter from Ned requesting Lord Stannis to return to his seat on the small council. As yet, there had been no reply, but the silence only deepened his suspicions. Lord Stannis shared the secret Jon Arryn had died for, he was certain of it. The truth he sought might very well be waiting for him on the ancient island fortress of House Targaryen."

Nah, screw it, #TeamRenly for life!!!

(But fair enough, Stannis didn't help his cause by naming Ned a traitor -- I didn't get that one either)

No offense, but you're completely missing the point, I'd suggest taking another look at Leonardothered's post.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'll send my orders once I get back from seeing Get Out at 7:30 (i.e. some time before 11:00).

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

ugh I feel awful for doing this but I'm going to have to drop out. I haven't had enough time over the last couple of weeks to devote to this, and I've got a busy couple of weeks coming up so rather than staying in a semi zombie state I'm going to drop out.

Apologies to Lumine, and everyone who was hoping to use House Tyrell to further their plots/plans/ambitions

I forgive you

On a more serious note, it's been great playing with you and I'm really sorry to see you go

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Well...umm...that was unexpected

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Spamage has been utterly fantastic as Tywin. Probably the best work from anyone in these series of games with what was arguably a terrible draw of the cards considering circumstances. Applause all around and I hope he comes back as Tyrion

*ahem* Let the record show that I started as Ramsay with only like a small boatful of people and ended up fighting literally every player (after they all teamed up against me) to a draw and killing everyone else at least once

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

By the way,
Which GoT game should be the next?
I'm quite interested in playing the Baratheon rebellion (with the Queen of Thorns obviously). But as long I will be able to play the Tyrells, I would be happy lol.

I'll probably take a break after this one, tbh.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

What is the ETA for the next turn opening?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I guess this would be the place to formally request that AZ's "Lannisters declare for Viserys" announcement be struck down by Lumine for being too OOC.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The move has been temporarily revoked, I have no PM's from the player in question (and while I do have other PM's on the subject, they're clearly insufficent for me to make out what has been going on.

Unless I recieve a plausible explanation, I may to revoke it outright.

I have sent you some PM detailing the exchange.

I can't really imagine what plausible explanation there could possibly be

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Is it not remembered I did that exact thing as Tyrion lol? He's not going to place the dynasty's pride and honor above his nephew's life; his care and we'll being are important than sitting him atop a seat that would likely kill him. The Lannisters have no allies, and are currently in full tilt battle with Ironborn in the heart of the Wasteland whom have already broken into Casterly Rock once! They now have to fight not only the ironborn but are still in a deadly struggle with  a Tully/Stark/Vale/Baratheon alliance lol. If he continues on said course, they will almost certainly be heads on spikes by the end of this. No amount of gold or Tyroshi sells words can save a house without alliances nor any possible alliances.

Tldr I already did this and it ended up being a fantastic move even though it didn't work out completely.

Does anyone honestly think Tyrion thinks he can win a war against the Edric power bloc, independent ironborn AND Viserys lol? He'd realize the cause was basically lost once Tywin died, the Vale RL and North all allied under a storm king and he was invaded by ironborn full tilt.

1) This an insanely bad deal for the Lannisters

2) It should've been struck down on OOC grounds in the previous game IMO, but the rules were also a lot more lax in that game.  I'd also argue it wasn't such a hot move then, all due respect.  Plus you actually got something out of it

3) Tommen can definitely still win on his own

4) The whole alliance makes absolutely no sense.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Is it not remembered I did that exact thing as Tyrion lol? He's not going to place the dynasty's pride and honor above his nephew's life; his care and we'll being are important than sitting him atop a seat that would likely kill him. The Lannisters have no allies, and are currently in full tilt battle with Ironborn in the heart of the Wasteland whom have already broken into Casterly Rock once! They now have to fight not only the ironborn but are still in a deadly struggle with  a Tully/Stark/Vale/Baratheon alliance lol. If he continues on said course, they will almost certainly be heads on spikes by the end of this. No amount of gold or Tyroshi sells words can save a house without alliances nor any possible alliances.

Tldr I already did this and it ended up being a fantastic move even though it didn't work out completely.

Does anyone honestly think Tyrion thinks he can win a war against the Edric power bloc, independent ironborn AND Viserys lol? He'd realize the cause was basically lost once Tywin died, the Vale RL and North all allied under a storm king and he was invaded by ironborn full tilt.

1) This an insanely bad deal for the Lannisters

2) It should've been struck down on OOC grounds in the previous game IMO, but the rules were also a lot more lax in that game.  I'd also argue it wasn't such a hot move then, all due respect.  Plus you actually got something out of it

3) Tommen can definitely still win on his own

4) The whole alliance makes absolutely no sense.

You also don't see the entire picture

A hot move? As I see it the Lannisters have one real army, as most of their troops from Tywin either vanished or are now under Randyll Tarly. They don't even have enough men under Jaime to fight the ironborn let alone hold onto their prizes in the Riverlands against a Tully/Stark/Vale/Baratheon alliance.

And if we're talking about OOC we're certainly going to have to bring the actions of one Petyr Baelish into the discussion lol.

To be honest, I'm actually pretty confident that I haven't done anything insanely OOC (much less something as hilariously OOC as the rightly revoked deal), but feel free to give it your best shot if you think I do something anywhere near as OOC as this deal would've been for Tyrion  And of course, there are many degrees of OOC.  A certain amount controlled OOC behavior every now-and-then is necessary for a game like this to work, but there's a fine line between that and completely throwing all pretense of IC gameplay out the window.  And even if Tyrion did something like this, the WesterLords would instantly disregard it, kill him, and put Kevan in charge

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I feel like there are four possible scenarios here:

Option 1) Roose switched sides and had Ramsay attack Winterfell like in canon and kill Catelyn and her two remaining sons, and/or some combination of the following died in battle: Roose, Asha, Tyrion, Khal Drogo, Viserys, and Davos.  Alternatively, Khal Drogo could've led his horde north which would obviously be bad for me  Another interesting possibility is that the Dothraki may've gone West and attacked the Lannisters while they're distracted by the Iron Born.

Option 2) Khal Drogo attacked KL and some combination of Viserys, Khal Drogo, Davos, and the High Sparrow are dead along with either Tyrion or Asha.  If Doran is in KL, team Targ could theoretically have been wiped out in one battle, but this seems highly unlikely.  

Option 3) A bunch of random battles all happened to have high death counts

Option 4) The Dothraki got to KL and Viserys went Full Mad King and detonated a city-wide suicide bomb.

Btw, I feel like this is like the third turn in a row where 3-4 players died

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I feel like there are four possible scenarios here:

Option 1) Roose switched sides and had Ramsay attack Winterfell like in canon and kill Catelyn and her two remaining sons, and/or some combination of the following died in battle: Roose, Asha, Tyrion, Khal Drogo, Viserys, and Davos.  Alternatively, Khal Drogo could've led his horde north which would obviously be bad for me  Another interesting possibility is that the Dothraki may've gone West and attacked the Lannisters while they're distracted by the Iron Born.

Option 2) Khal Drogo attacked KL and some combination of Viserys, Khal Drogo, Davos, and the High Sparrow are dead along with either Tyrion or Asha.  If Doran is in KL, team Targ could theoretically have been wiped out in one battle, but this seems highly unlikely.  

Option 3) A bunch of random battles all happened to have high death counts

Option 4) The Dothraki got to KL and Viserys went Full Mad King and detonated a city-wide suicide bomb.

Option 5: your agents in KL ordered my assassination and some pthers

Paranoid much?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I feel like there are four possible scenarios here:

Option 1) Roose switched sides and had Ramsay attack Winterfell like in canon and kill Catelyn and her two remaining sons, and/or some combination of the following died in battle: Roose, Asha, Tyrion, Khal Drogo, Viserys, and Davos.  Alternatively, Khal Drogo could've led his horde north which would obviously be bad for me  Another interesting possibility is that the Dothraki may've gone West and attacked the Lannisters while they're distracted by the Iron Born.

Option 2) Khal Drogo attacked KL and some combination of Viserys, Khal Drogo, Davos, and the High Sparrow are dead along with either Tyrion or Asha.  If Doran is in KL, team Targ could theoretically have been wiped out in one battle, but this seems highly unlikely.  

Option 3) A bunch of random battles all happened to have high death counts

Option 4) The Dothraki got to KL and Viserys went Full Mad King and detonated a city-wide suicide bomb.

Option 5: your agents in KL ordered my assassination and some pthers

Paranoid much?

Well, in this game when you are paranoid you are quite realist

Only if you're being properly paranoid  There's literally no upside to me assassinating you and all due respect, the High Sparrow and his 6,000 cultists are not at the top of my in-game priority list at the moment.

Edit: Congrats, Windjammer (I assume)...err...wait a minute...you're dead too

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I feel like there are four possible scenarios here:

Option 1) Roose switched sides and had Ramsay attack Winterfell like in canon and kill Catelyn and her two remaining sons, and/or some combination of the following died in battle: Roose, Asha, Tyrion, Khal Drogo, Viserys, and Davos.  Alternatively, Khal Drogo could've led his horde north which would obviously be bad for me  Another interesting possibility is that the Dothraki may've gone West and attacked the Lannisters while they're distracted by the Iron Born.

Option 2) Khal Drogo attacked KL and some combination of Viserys, Khal Drogo, Davos, and the High Sparrow are dead along with either Tyrion or Asha.  If Doran is in KL, team Targ could theoretically have been wiped out in one battle, but this seems highly unlikely.  

Option 3) A bunch of random battles all happened to have high death counts

Option 4) The Dothraki got to KL and Viserys went Full Mad King and detonated a city-wide suicide bomb.

Option 5: your agents in KL ordered my assassination and some pthers

Paranoid much?

Well, in this game when you are paranoid you are quite realist

Only if you're being properly paranoid  There's literally no upside to me assassinating you and all due respect, the High Sparrow and his 6,000 cultists are not at the top of my in-game priority list at the moment.

Edit: Congrats, Windjammer (I assume)...err...wait a minute...you're dead too

For the record I didn't kill you lol

It's okay either way.  While I'm obviously curious who did (definitely you or LeonardotheRed), I don't really care one way or the other  

I imagine Lord Royce is the next logical option.

In hindsight it should have seemed likely that attacking King's Landing would occur by the Dothraki; it was one of the few big targets left to raid and was within reach...

Cue OOC therefore not useable in-game evil gloating: I know, that's why I suggested it

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I know it's okay but I just tell you for your curiosity that is not me. I'm dead now so I have no reason for lying
So,
Me, X and Gotfan are dead. Who is the fourth?

The end of turn usually comes in two parts.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

And why would you assume myself? We Dornish have so few friends outside our sands... Those not already dead at least

You alluded to assassinations shortly before the end of the turn, if anyone has an assassination related special ability then it'd have to be Doran, and I just got the attempted Lannister-Targ alliance blocked (which you seemed more invested in than anyone else)

By the way, if in any way Cersei would be available to play. I would glzdly take this character if that is possible

I mean, if we can play as characters who presently have limited gameplay, dibs on Ramsay

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

And why would you assume myself? We Dornish have so few friends outside our sands... Those not already dead at least

You alluded to assassinations shortly before the end of the turn, if anyone has an assassination related special ability then it'd have to be Doran, and I just got the attempted Lannister-Targ alliance blocked (which you seemed more invested in than anyone else)

By the way, if in any way Cersei would be available to play. I would glzdly take this character if that is possible

I mean, if we can play as characters who presently have limited gameplay, dibs on Ramsay

I don't bring grudges into the game, I'm pretty faithful to that self rule. I'm also very committed to this Doran playstyle which suits myself and the game well I reckon

I was mostly just baffled because I had done nearly the same thing and with far better current circumstances than the current Lannisters.

Neither do I, that wasn't the main reason I think you had me assassinated though.  Regarding the other game, Westeros was being attacked by an undead army in that game; normal rules don't apply in that sort of situation