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Chancellor Tanterterg
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« on: October 25, 2016, 11:31:58 PM »

OK seriously, what the actual f**k is going on in this thread?

I make a simple post wondering if maybe, just maaaaaaaybe support for SSM isn't the only morally relevant litmus test among current political issues, and all of a sudden, "I don't care about LGBT rights", I have "contempt for SSM", I think it's a "bourgeois" issue, and maybe I'm even a little homophobic, who knows?

Have you all actually gone insane?

No, they're not insane.  They just got triggered by your initial post (which obviously wasn't even remotely homophobic) and are now foaming at the mouth with blind, impotent rage.

TJ is a major FF, ftr.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2016, 10:19:41 AM »
« Edited: October 27, 2016, 10:23:07 AM by Malcolm X »

Lol, of course shua comes in to defend Antonio for doing things that he himself is actually the worst offender of. Roll Eyes

Perhaps people are social justice warriors because there are areas in which society is actually—wait for it—unjust! I realize that might be a novel thought for those with privilege or, on the unfortunate flipside, internalized oppression, but we speak out for a reason. Getting too defensive when someone from a traditionally disadvantaged position shares their truths often reveals that the listener is simply uncomfortable facing hard realities. Take the point that is made, reflect on it, and move on.

Also, I want to clarify that I don't think Tony is a homophobe or wants to "send gays to the back of the bus." Roll Eyes But I would argue that he has been privileged not to have the same experiences that many of us queerfolk have, and that not having or understanding these experiences makes it easy for him to get his back up when we bring them into the light. I don't think this makes him an enemy. In fact, it's understandable because we all have our blindspots.

I'm pretty sure that Antonio is not saying that people shouldn't be angry about the daily discrimination and at times even outright cruelty that is often directed against members of the LGBT community.  Instead, he seems to be saying (and rightly so) that the American left seems prone to selective levels outrage on certain issues such as LGBT rights.  In other words, his argument (and Tony can correct me if I'm wrong here) is that it is more than a little hypocritical to arrange boycotts of an entire state for not letting two people marry or use the bathroom of their choice, but not work to create the same sort of pressure on states that are essentially killing people by blocking medicaid expansion or willfully eliminating successful healthcare programs (ex: Kentucky once Bevin was elected).  It isn't a contest; both issues are important.

The fact that people are dying in this country because they lack access to even basic medical care is a crime, but many liberal activists (many conservatives do their own version of this) seem far more concerned with social issues.  Imo this is partly because social issues tend to be easier to boil down into over-simplified, good vs. evil "do this/don't do that" soundbite positions.  

Furthermore, I don't blame Antonio for being defensive since multiple posters have accused him of being a homophobe (which is absurd at best) and others (such as yourself) have been essentially implying that because he might not think that the way members of the LGBT community are treated is the only injustice deserving the left's attention, he needs to check his privilege.
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