Lumine's Election and Political Tracker (Epilogue) - Tracker Closed

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Lol

You once again have my full support and endorsement.

REPUBLIC OF ATLASIA - In Dave We Trust
Official Ballot

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT

[2] DemPGH of Washington and Windjammer of Minnesota
^{Labor Party}

[1] Sirnick of New York and Dallasfan65 of Massachusetts
^{The People's Party - Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

NORTHEAST SENATOR

[2] Bore of Rhode Island
^{Labor Party}

[1] Deus naturae of New York
^{Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

Wow!  I'm normally not one to criticize people for how they vote on Atlasia, but this is just ridiculous.  It is extremely Liebermanesque, for lack of a better word.  I voted for SirNick, but in light of this, I couldn't be happier DemPGH seems poised to win.  I didn't want to believe the folks who were attacking SirNick as an unprincipled flip-flopper, he'd always done right by me and I gave him the benefit of the doubt.  I want to hear SirNick's explanation for this before I assume the worst.  I know firsthand that sometimes what some may see as opportunism or a lack of principle is sometimes the result of good intentions leading to a result that is simply FUBAR.  However, from where I stand this sure doesn't look good, to say the least.  This doesn't change the fact that I consider SirNick a forum friend, but it does make me pretty reluctant to vote for him if he runs for anything in Atlasia in the foreseeable future.

As a liberal who supported SirNick (albeit one who really liked both candidates) because I thought he was the best of two highly qualified candidates, this is very disappointing.  I really thought (and he essentially ran as) that he was a pragmatic center-left candidate who was willing to work with the other side.  Now I really don't know what his views actually are  I have no problem with SirNick voting for Deus in-and-of-itself.  However, for him to vote for Deus while running as a center-left candidate who was a former Laborite himself in a race that is critical to the Senate balance of power (and remember, Bore isn't some hyper-partisan extremist) it simply makes no sense.  Whether you're a Federalist, fellow member of the TPP, a Laborite, a Democratic-Republican, a Cultural Marxist, or an Independent, I'd urge you not to make the mistake I made.  Vote for DemPGH, a write-in, or even abstain, at least that way you know what you're getting.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The far biggest problem for the Federalists is that the activity of last year was built on an activity bubble amongst several members and thus skipping a few races, or running complete novices as the alternative was unavoidable for an election or two.

The root of the problem for the Federalists is that there isn't a candidate who can please both the median voter and their base.

It is a secondary problem. The discontent expressed with votes for people like Tmth illustrate that there are candidates who can bridge the divide, but it is tough and most of those type of candidates are likewise older and often fit into that category I described above.

I disagree. Who could pull this off? There isn't anyone who can unite the two, because the demands of the Federalist base are in direct conflict with the expectations of the median voter.

You might think the same thing about Labor, but when you consider the Laborites that we've elected to the presidency (Marokai, myself, and - I hope - DemPGH), it's obvious that we don't work the same way. And if Duke had chosen to run as our candidate in September or even in February, he would have won at least nine out of ten Labor votes.

Duke came closer to achieving this than anyone else ever will, yet his presidency has left the Federalists fractured. He barely mustered enough enthusiasm from them to win renomination against a veritable nutcase, and at least one person left the party in protest.

Duke made a lot of mistakes during his first term. The biggest was not becoming a Federalist and also constantly expressing doubt about his running for a second term. The former meant severe breakdown in communication, and the latter meant that people were beginning to plan "post-Duke" as early as December. Duke often communicates and acts in a matter that works wonderfully as long as all the matters the immediate circle who knows and loves him. The doubt about running again was probably disappointment expressed outwardly, but even I misread it based on sheer number of mentions of the matter in public and private.

He also nearly made the same mistake as Sirnick, leaving himself without a tangible connection to the party on an issue set, just as Matt was transitioning from a Federalist insider to something of a rogue agent.

I don't blame Duke. He has had a successful presidency. It was the Federalists who barely lobbied him at all in his first term and never even attempted to pull together a policy agenda that Duke could assist them with. They always needed him more than he needed them.

Matt was supposed to be the Federalist representative within the administration, but it was clear from early in Duke's first term that he had become not just an unreliable liaison, but a renegade working to undermine the Federalist Party. Yet it took months for the Federalists to stop attempting to work through him.

To your personal credit, you've done a lot to fix all of this over the past couple of months.

Not really, it was more that the Federalists couldn't stop trying to undermine Duke and him.  Is it any wonder he got fed up (sorry ).

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Lol

You once again have my full support and endorsement.

REPUBLIC OF ATLASIA - In Dave We Trust
Official Ballot

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT

[2] DemPGH of Washington and Windjammer of Minnesota
^{Labor Party}

[1] Sirnick of New York and Dallasfan65 of Massachusetts
^{The People's Party - Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

NORTHEAST SENATOR

[2] Bore of Rhode Island
^{Labor Party}

[1] Deus naturae of New York
^{Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

Wow!  I'm normally not one to criticize people for how they vote on Atlasia, but this is just ridiculous.  It is extremely Liebermanesque, for lack of a better word.  I voted for SirNick, but in light of this, I couldn't be happier DemPGH seems poised to win.  I didn't want to believe the folks who were attacking SirNick as an unprincipled flip-flopper, he'd always done right by me and I gave him the benefit of the doubt.  I want to hear SirNick's explanation for this before I assume the worst.  I know firsthand that sometimes what some may see as opportunism or a lack of principle is sometimes the result of good intentions leading to a result that is simply FUBAR.  However, from where I stand this sure doesn't look good, to say the least.  This doesn't change the fact that I consider SirNick a forum friend, but it does make me pretty reluctant to vote for him if he runs for anything in Atlasia in the foreseeable future.

As a liberal who supported SirNick (albeit one who really liked both candidates) because I thought he was the best of two highly qualified candidates, this is very disappointing.  I really thought (and he essentially ran as) that he was a pragmatic center-left candidate who was willing to work with the other side.  Now I really don't know what his views actually are  I have no problem with SirNick voting for Deus in-and-of-itself.  However, for him to vote for Deus while running as a center-left candidate who was a former Laborite himself in a race that is critical to the Senate balance of power (and remember, Bore isn't some hyper-partisan extremist) it simply makes no sense.  Whether you're a Federalist, fellow member of the TPP, a Laborite, a Democratic-Republican, a Cultural Marxist, or an Independent, I'd urge you not to make the mistake I made.  Vote for DemPGH, a write-in, or even abstain, at least that way you know what you're getting.

Still no answer from SirNick, but I suppose thay's my answer

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Lol

You once again have my full support and endorsement.

REPUBLIC OF ATLASIA - In Dave We Trust
Official Ballot

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT

[2] DemPGH of Washington and Windjammer of Minnesota
^{Labor Party}

[1] Sirnick of New York and Dallasfan65 of Massachusetts
^{The People's Party - Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

NORTHEAST SENATOR

[2] Bore of Rhode Island
^{Labor Party}

[1] Deus naturae of New York
^{Democratic-Republican Party}

[  ] Write-in:______________________________
^{-__________________}

[  ] None of the above

Wow!  I'm normally not one to criticize people for how they vote on Atlasia, but this is just ridiculous.  It is extremely Liebermanesque, for lack of a better word.  I voted for SirNick, but in light of this, I couldn't be happier DemPGH seems poised to win.  I didn't want to believe the folks who were attacking SirNick as an unprincipled flip-flopper, he'd always done right by me and I gave him the benefit of the doubt.  I want to hear SirNick's explanation for this before I assume the worst.  I know firsthand that sometimes what some may see as opportunism or a lack of principle is sometimes the result of good intentions leading to a result that is simply FUBAR.  However, from where I stand this sure doesn't look good, to say the least.  This doesn't change the fact that I consider SirNick a forum friend, but it does make me pretty reluctant to vote for him if he runs for anything in Atlasia in the foreseeable future.

As a liberal who supported SirNick (albeit one who really liked both candidates) because I thought he was the best of two highly qualified candidates, this is very disappointing.  I really thought (and he essentially ran as) that he was a pragmatic center-left candidate who was willing to work with the other side.  Now I really don't know what his views actually are  I have no problem with SirNick voting for Deus in-and-of-itself.  However, for him to vote for Deus while running as a center-left candidate who was a former Laborite himself in a race that is critical to the Senate balance of power (and remember, Bore isn't some hyper-partisan extremist) it simply makes no sense.  Whether you're a Federalist, fellow member of the TPP, a Laborite, a Democratic-Republican, a Cultural Marxist, or an Independent, I'd urge you not to make the mistake I made.  Vote for DemPGH, a write-in, or even abstain, at least that way you know what you're getting.

Still no answer from SirNick, but I suppose thay's my answer

I actually messaged Bore about it, and was going to message you. I tend to do a lot of quick things on here from my phone, and I screwed up by quoting the wrong person when I voted. Didn't notice until the "edit" period had passed. I should have been more careful. I've voted for Bore every other time I've pledged my support to him, he knows that I come through.

I realize that you can read into this very easily, or think I'm lying, but that's what happened. I'm sorry.

II've been in situations in Atlasia where something I did looked bad when in reality I had only good intentions (a great example being my kerfuffle with DemPGH over my endorsement of him that I withdrew when I found out it was based on inaccurate information about his views on an issue).  I know how much it sucks when people you've always gotten along with suddenly assume the worst of you.  So do I know that you're telling the truth?  No, honestly I don't.  But I know I'd rather give you the benefit of the doubt then risk doing what some folks here have done to me in the past.  It is better for both the game and anyone playing if we're generally willing to give each other the benefit of the doubt.  I'm happy to chalk this up to an accident

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'd like to remind all federalists who voted for PGH because Dallasfan endorsed TNF that windjammer promised to break any tie for the PPT vote for TNF, so, assuming all labor senators vote for him, you just voted to ensure he becomes PPT.

Ironic, to say the least

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

One imagines that a PPT TNF would simply allow the queues to be flooded by, well, TNF bills. There is currently some rather clever protocol that, somehow, pretty much prevents TNF from doing just that. How, I don't know.

Personally, if not Yankee, I'd be pretty interesting in seeing Adam Griffin in the role.

Griffin becoming PPT with mainly Federalist support would be something to see, but I'd be shocked if TNF isn't the next PPT.  And I don't know that they can really complain too much about it either given that it is largely their doing

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The PPT does not get to make up the rules as he goes along.  

Honestly, TNF would not be my first pick from the Labor delegation to run for the position because his talents are better suited to a different focus. But the prospect of him serving as PPT shouldn't terrify anyone who understands how the Senate works.

I know that we've had someone to hold our hands for the past three years so that none of the rest of us need to bother thinking about the Senate's rules, but they're not that hard to read and they've been written to prevent abuse.

For my part, I largely agree with this.  I just find this entire situation rather amusing