Election Tracker - NE Special

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Is Peeperkorn's ballot in the Northeast election invalid since he had posted before the booth opened, but then deleted the post from the voting booth thread and voted after it had opened over 20 minutes after casting the previous (clearly invalid) vote?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Is Peeperkorn's ballot in the Northeast election invalid since he had posted before the booth opened, but then deleted the post from the voting booth thread and voted after it had opened over 20 minutes after casting the previous (clearly invalid) vote?

If he votes again in the correct time period, would that validate his vote?

That's what I'm asking.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Is Peeperkorn's ballot in the Northeast election invalid since he had posted before the booth opened, but then deleted the post from the voting booth thread and voted after it had opened over 20 minutes after casting the previous (clearly invalid) vote?

If he votes again in the correct time period, would that validate his vote?

That's what I'm asking.

Anything before the voting period starts is not a vote so it can be deleted at any point. The only invalid ballots are yours and butafly's.

Why are mine and butafly's invalid?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Is Peeperkorn's ballot in the Northeast election invalid since he had posted before the booth opened, but then deleted the post from the voting booth thread and voted after it had opened over 20 minutes after casting the previous (clearly invalid) vote?

If he votes again in the correct time period, would that validate his vote?

That's what I'm asking.

Anything before the voting period starts is not a vote so it can be deleted at any point. The only invalid ballots are yours and butafly's.

Why are mine and butafly's invalid?

The posts have been edited.

But it was within the 20 minute time limit.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Is Peeperkorn's ballot in the Northeast election invalid since he had posted before the booth opened, but then deleted the post from the voting booth thread and voted after it had opened over 20 minutes after casting the previous (clearly invalid) vote?

If he votes again in the correct time period, would that validate his vote?

That's what I'm asking.

Anything before the voting period starts is not a vote so it can be deleted at any point. The only invalid ballots are yours and butafly's.

Why are mine and butafly's invalid?

The posts have been edited.

But it was within the 20 minute time limit.

There is no 20 minute time limit (nor should there be). Voters have three full days to make sure their ballot is ready for submission, editing ballots is unnecessary.

DO NOT EDIT OR DELETE THE POST CONTAINING YOUR BALLOT IN ANY WAY AFTER 20 MINUTES OF ITS BEING POSTED OR YOUR VOTE WILL BE INVALIDATED

I'd think federal elections law would trump regional election law.  Unless we have different standards for what is considered a valid vote than in federal elections which just seems counter-productive and probably doesn't do anything but confuse voters.  Technically I don't even know if what I did would qualify as editing my ballot since none of the preferences changed and I only removed the "[/quote]" from the bottom since I copy and pasted the format from the OP (probably does though, I suppose).  In any event, not allowing voters a brief period of time in which to edit their vote makes no sense. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Its easy to say it "makes no sense" when your ballot is unfortunately invalidated but not double checking what you post before you click submit also "makes no sense". Not reading the OP in the voting booth "makes no sense". Having a leftover quotation in your post is not even a good reason to edit, that's just being OCD. I forgot to vote on the amendment but I wasn't going to break the rules to try and do so.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume that there is a window in which one can edit their vote given that in both Federal elections and every other region such a window exists.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Its easy to say it "makes no sense" when your ballot is unfortunately invalidated but not double checking what you post before you click submit also "makes no sense". Not reading the OP in the voting booth "makes no sense". Having a leftover quotation in your post is not even a good reason to edit, that's just being OCD. I forgot to vote on the amendment but I wasn't going to break the rules to try and do so.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume that there is a window in which one can edit their vote given that in both Federal elections and every other region such a window exists.

Except when it says it right there in the first post of the thread, right? I'm sorry you were unaware of the rules but that doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to change the rules. I did make the text stand out more than Governor sirnick did when I was Governor but that's hardly an excuse to mm ot even read the instructions. Didnt they ever give you that fake test in grade school which if you read the instructions you didn't end up doing anything? Most kids failed that one lol.

  If my vote is invalidated fine, but that doesn't make it any less of an awful rule.  Every other region and the federal government allow a window in which to edit one's vote.  It is perfectly reasonable to assume the Northeast also has such a window.  The absence of such a window in our region does nothing except confuse voters.  There is literally no benefit to not providing a 20 minute window to edit votes.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Its easy to say it "makes no sense" when your ballot is unfortunately invalidated but not double checking what you post before you click submit also "makes no sense". Not reading the OP in the voting booth "makes no sense". Having a leftover quotation in your post is not even a good reason to edit, that's just being OCD. I forgot to vote on the amendment but I wasn't going to break the rules to try and do so.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume that there is a window in which one can edit their vote given that in both Federal elections and every other region such a window exists.

Except when it says it right there in the first post of the thread, right? I'm sorry you were unaware of the rules but that doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to change the rules. I did make the text stand out more than Governor sirnick did when I was Governor but that's hardly an excuse to mm ot even read the instructions. Didnt they ever give you that fake test in grade school which if you read the instructions you didn't end up doing anything? Most kids failed that one lol.

  If my vote is invalidated fine, but that doesn't make it any less of an awful rule.  Every other region and the federal government allow a window in which to edit one's vote.  It is perfectly reasonable to assume the Northeast also has such a window.  The absence of such a window in our region does nothing except confuse voters.  There is literally no benefit to not providing a 20 minute window to edit votes.

If it were I who'd been disenfranchised, I would consider taking my grievance to court. To my knowledge the regulation in question has never been challenged.

Will do, thanks for the advice.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I wonder if Matt has ended up being a drag on the ticket in the eyes of the more right-wing Federalists.

More likely that the Feds have decided to try to tea-bag President Duke after failing to do so in the primary because they consider him insufficiently conservative.  Besides, at least Matt has actually stuck with Duke.  The Feds seem to have decided to throw their own nominee under the bus for some reason.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Unfortunately I think this means Icehand Gino is invalid too, since he only had 7 posts in the last 56 days.

Campaigning for Homely to invalidate votes now? 

Technically, he never asked Homely to invalidate the vote

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Northeast Assembly - First Round
6 (8?) SWE (SWE, butafly, Mr. X, bore, BaconBacon96, AFJ, Talleyrand, Yeahsayyeah)
4 cinyc (Grumps, Nix, cinyc, smoltchanov)
3 Napoleon (Napoleon, Peeperkorn, MATTROSE94)
2 Deus (Deus, Goldwater)
*2 Winfield (Winfield, sirnick)
1 Branden Cordeiro (Pessimistic Antineutrino)

2 invalid? (butafly, Mr. X)

IDS Leg. Dist. 1 - First Round
4 Small L (Small L, PiT, badgate, Pingvin)
1 NOTA (Zanas)

IDS Leg. Dist. 2 - First Round
3 sjoyce (Scott, Oak Hills, sjoyce, Dereich, Sanchez)
2 Jack Enderman (Supersonic, Jack Enderman)

Dude, your vote and mine are valid.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'm counting Lief's vote until and unless the SoFE says otherwise.

Shouldn't you also be doing the same with our votes for Assembly then?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Northeast Assembly - First Round
6 (5?) SWE (SWE, Mr. X, bore, BaconBacon96, AFJ, Yeahsayyeah)
5 cinyc (Grumps, Nix, cinyc, smoltchanov, Matt from VT)
3 Napoleon (Napoleon, Peeperkorn, MATTROSE94)
2 Deus (Deus, Goldwater)
2 *Winfield (Winfield, sirnick)
1 Branden Cordeiro (Pessimistic Antineutrino)
1 *EarlAW (EarlAW)
1 (0?) *Yeahsayyeah (butafly)
1 (0?) *AFJ (Talleyrand)

0 (3?) invalid (butafly, Mr. X, Talleyrand)

IDS Leg. Dist. 1 - First Round
5 Small L (Small L, PiT, badgate, Pingvin, jbrase)
1 NOTA (Zanas)

IDS Leg. Dist. 2 - First Round
3 sjoyce (Scott, Oak Hills, sjoyce, Dereich, Sanchez)
3 Jack Enderman (Supersonic, Jack Enderman, NCY)

Not to nitpick or anything, but doesn't Sjoyce have five votes rather than three?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I'm counting Lief's vote until and unless the SoFE says otherwise.

Shouldn't you also be doing the same with our votes for Assembly then?

I am, actually. Sorry if I'm presenting the results in a confusing way.

No worries, thanks for the clarification and keep up the good work

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=159644.msg3432368#msg3432368

Here is an example of a ballot on which the voter wrote "sorry (insert candidate's name)" here before proceeding to vote for his opponent. I do not recall any stink being made over this, and his vote was counted. Admittedly, this was a regional election, but the situation is not much different than this one.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=169415.msg3629919#msg3629919

Here is Lief's presidential ballot from June. He wrote "Marokai for President" without listing a running mate and his vote was counted.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure folks have had their votes counted in the past despite their ballot saying "Sorry (insert name)."  I am not necessarily opposed to banning the practice going forward, but I don't think it is grounds for invalidation right now.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Julio's however, is blatantly invalid, as it disparages a candidate for both Senate and Vice President outright.

How on Earth can you define as disparagement what Julio wrote-in about TNF's inability for pragmatism?

The Autonomous Left in the Midwestern Oblast is confident in the egregious wisdom of the Atlasian Electoral Authority, which will count the vote of comrade Julio as valid, as much his vote for President as his vote for Regional Senator. In other case, we will raise the most energetic protest before any attempt of limiting his freedom of speech.

JulioMadrid's vote was clearly invalid.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Well that was a pretty sh**tty thing of Velasco to do to TNF.  For the sake of preserving electoral legitimacy, I'd urge him to resign if this leads to him "winning" and appoint TNF to fill the vaceny.  We all know TNF is the rightful winner (even if some would rather try to BS him out of office) and I doubt Lumine wants to go down as Atlasia's George W. Bush.