SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[Pericles]

There are an awful lot of religious fundamentalists in this thread trying to impose their values on others. Yes, Congress should have passed a law legalising abortion. However, the issue should have remained settled judicially. Roe was good policy, and a lot of suffering will now be caused by millions of people losing their rights. Just as Roe was not a permanent victory, this won't be either and eventually, one way or another, abortion rights will be guaranteed again.

[Pericles]

There's an awful lot of religious fundamentalists in this thread trying to impose their values on others. Yes, Congress should have passed a law legalising abortion. However, the issue should have remained settled judicially. Roe was good policy, and a lot of suffering will now be caused by millions of people losing their rights. Just as Roe was not a permanent victory, this won't be either and eventually, one way or another, abortion rights will be guaranteed again.

It is not the job of the courts to decide what is or what is not good policy.

I'm not trying to give an interpretation of the US Constitution, I'm giving my opinion that I support abortion being legal and accessible and so it's obviously a bad outcome from my view that this will not be the situation in many states.

[Pericles]

There's an awful lot of religious fundamentalists in this thread trying to impose their values on others. Yes, Congress should have passed a law legalising abortion. However, the issue should have remained settled judicially. Roe was good policy, and a lot of suffering will now be caused by millions of people losing their rights. Just as Roe was not a permanent victory, this won't be either and eventually, one way or another, abortion rights will be guaranteed again.

It is not the job of the courts to decide what is or what is not good policy.

I'm not trying to give an interpretation of the US Constitution, I'm giving my opinion that I support abortion being legal and accessible and so it's obviously a bad outcome from my view that this will not be the situation in many states.

Sadly while I agree with you, it is a huge stretch to say that abortion is guaranteed by any clause within the constitution.

It is long, LONG overdue that congress passed a law guaranteeing the right to an abortion in every single state so that we can finally settle this issue once and for all. Make it limited like in Europe so that the majority of people support it.

This is the number one thing that Democrats should make the centerpiece of their agenda for the next six months. Murkowski and Collins would absolutely go along with it, so you don't need to rely on Manchin or Sinema at all (and Sinema I presume would also go along with it). Use reconciliation this year to pass it and use the legislation itself to continuously make this decision and abortion in general the centerpiece of the 2022 election.

Democrats are largely doomed to a poor result, but if abortion is at the forefront of voters' minds that is infinitely better for Democrats than, say, inflation. Decent chance Dems keep the senate if abortion becomes the main issue at stake.

I don't see how it's possible to pass abortion rights through reconciliation, and filibuster reform still would not get 50 votes-even if Sinema somehow changed her mind Manchin would never do it for this bill. Susan Collins also opposed a federal abortion rights bill this year. She and Murkowski will find some reason to say they support the goal but not the Democrats' particular bill, rather than go against their party in such a big way.

Democrats might as well put it to a vote anyway. They could also put other rights they are worried about now, like gay marriage, to a vote in the Senate as a messaging vote.

[Pericles]

Biden should have packed the court. We needed an FDR after Hoover figure because Trump was that bad, instead we got a geezer who has made nearly every wrong move. We heard "we can't pack the court because it would antagonize the conservatives" but some of us knew it didn't matter because they've been scheming since the rise of the so called "moral majority" to do exactly this, this very moment.

After looking at what happened to Build Back Better and voting rights, how can you think that was Biden's choice to make? Either way, court packing would probably just make things even worse a few years later.

[Pericles]

One other thing-could they really not have gotten Barrett to write the opinion? It would look a bit better for them to have a woman be the one overturning Roe. Not that it makes a difference to the vast majority of abortion rights supporters, of course.

[Pericles]

They're not stopping.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1542463030600032257

Literally unconstitutional

Gorsuch and Roberts won't be on board with this. This is a non-started. If a seventh R justice is named, I think it could happen though.

Kavanaugh said in his concurrence he'd oppose this.

[Pericles]

They're not stopping.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1542463030600032257

Literally unconstitutional

Gorsuch and Roberts won't be on board with this. This is a non-started. If a seventh R justice is named, I think it could happen though.

Kavanaugh said in his concurrence he'd oppose this.

He lied to Congress before why do you think he wouldn't lie again?

I don't see why he'd blatantly lie, especially because he's already on the Court, when he can just mislead (as he did by vaguely saying he respected precedent).

[Pericles]

I'm pretty sure they say that abortion laws are designed to protect 'potential life' so they get around this problem, and the Supreme Court did not touch the idea of fetal personhood. This would be a problem for states that use that method to ban abortions though.

[Pericles]

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1567531436219027456

The Dobbs bump actually doesn't look that big in the polling, it's the special elections where it stands out.

And this doesn't even include Peltola's victory.