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« on: November 17, 2019, 01:26:32 AM »

I really regret voting for this fraud 3 times (2008 primary, 2008 general, 2012 general).

Tbh from your perspective would Hillary have been any better?
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2019, 10:54:06 PM »


Thanks for the link. One point stuck out to me from the last article;
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The strength of the populists’ case lies in a simple fact: Democrats have everything to gain by polarizing the electorate around issues of economics. In Drutman’s analysis, 73.5 percent of 2016 voters espoused broadly liberal views on economic policy. If people voted solely on the basis of their intuitions about how government should intervene in the economy (when interrogated about such matters by pollsters), Democrats would dominate all levels of government.

The pundits after all said Clinton lost due to lacking a strong 'economic message', so even they grasp this point slightly, but then arguing Warren and Bernie are 'too far to the left' and other nonsense on economics.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2019, 11:19:57 PM »


Thanks for the link. One point stuck out to me from the last article;
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The strength of the populists’ case lies in a simple fact: Democrats have everything to gain by polarizing the electorate around issues of economics. In Drutman’s analysis, 73.5 percent of 2016 voters espoused broadly liberal views on economic policy. If people voted solely on the basis of their intuitions about how government should intervene in the economy (when interrogated about such matters by pollsters), Democrats would dominate all levels of government.

The pundits after all said Clinton lost due to lacking a strong 'economic message', so even they grasp this point slightly, but then arguing Warren and Bernie are 'too far to the left' and other nonsense on economics.

Americans have always been to the left policy wise. The problem is they dont vote like it because identity determines partisanship and your partisanship determines your facts/reality. A hick in Kentucky might thing single payer is a good idea but he's still not gonna vote Dem because he's a hick from Kentucky.

Yeah, the best way to minimize that effect is campaigning hard on economics and not so much on Trump's scandals (though of course still attack Trump on ethics but Hilary went too far and ironically focused a historically low amount on policy).
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 03:17:03 AM »

The thing that concerned me in particular is how Obama said voters want "to see things a little more fair, they want to see things a little more just". Why shouldn't Democrats make things a lot more just? And why wouldn't that appeal more to voters? And even if isn't an electoral bonus in the short-term, ultimately good policy is good politics, if you govern well and deliver good outcomes you're more likely to get re-elected.
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