Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

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Warren is out. Not that a 70 year old woman who would have a GOP replacement would be particularly appealing in the first place. We also forget that she constantly butted heads with the Obama administration. It’s not going to be her.

I think the 6 are all Senators/Governors: Amy/Kamala/Duckworth/Baldwin/CCM/Lujan Grisham

no Whitmer?

I don’t think she wants it.

https://twitter.com/chrislongview/status/1239559194849751040?s=20

Ah, ok then. A potential dark horse pick for Biden could be Mayor Lance Bottoms, who has been at the forefront of confronting the virus and would give the ticket credibility on that front.

The surname alone is a big downside.

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Warren is out. Not that a 70 year old woman who would have a GOP replacement would be particularly appealing in the first place. We also forget that she constantly butted heads with the Obama administration. It’s not going to be her.

I think the 6 are all Senators/Governors: Amy/Kamala/Duckworth/Baldwin/CCM/Lujan Grisham

no Whitmer?

I don’t think she wants it.

https://twitter.com/chrislongview/status/1239559194849751040?s=20

Ah, ok then. A potential dark horse pick for Biden could be Mayor Lance Bottoms, who has been at the forefront of confronting the virus and would give the ticket credibility on that front.

The surname alone is a big downside.

Biden/Lance Bottoms is fine?

Oh the surname is Lance Bottoms, yeah Biden/Bottoms would be bad. Still I think the 'Bottoms' part would get a lot of attention and jokes. Actually looking her up it seems she's only been a Mayor since 2018, so in that respect even less experienced than Buttigieg (who Biden mocked for his inexperience-though tbf Atlanta is bigger than South Bend). I don't think she clearly passes the 'Ready on Day One' test.

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Honestly I've been thinking about it and Klobuchar seems like the most logical pick. She doubles down on Biden's pitch of stability and moderation. Based on Biden's set criteria, she also has been tested in a presidential campaign-which he wants-and he kind of owes her after she dropped out and endorsed him (Kamala Harris attacked him and was too cowardly to endorse him before Super Tuesday). Biden would definitely be 'simpatico' with Klobuchar.

Klobuchar isn't a minority but people like Abrams and Duckworth don't have the same national profile and in Abrams' case are too inexperienced. Harris comes across as inauthentic and unlikable, while Klobuchar does have an authentic Midwestern charm so seems better than Tim Kaine who did nothing for the ticket. If anything Harris seems like the Kaine analogue-a weak pick that is hyped up by the establishment while having little to no appeal to actual voters. Klobuchar on the other hand does help a bit in the Midwest and particularly in Minnesota.

Klobuchar isn't favored by the left, but the left would be unenthusiastic about most of Biden's choices and even Biden/Warren (which is unlikely and probably unwise) probably wouldn't satisfy the Bernie or bust people. So maybe Biden is better off reinforcing his strengths, and Klobuchar could be like the Al Gore pick in 1992.

My main worry with Klobuchar is that her Senate seat would flip if she becomes Vice President. So Duckworth seems like a slightly positive pick that would have less risk of flipping a Senate seat (of course her seat isn't impossible for Republicans to win but obviously Minnesota is less Democratic than Illinois). However, for the actual best running mate for Biden, based also on the criteria he's set, that might be Klobuchar.

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I been expecting Klobuchar. My problem with her is she is too safe of a pick. To be honest she does not the charisma needed to lead a ticket. This matters more because there is a chance Biden won't serve a full term. Harris would be a better pick as she has the charisma Klobuchar lacks. Whitmer might work. Her handling of the coronavirus could show readiness. She is still a couple years in her term. Duckworth not sure about.

I think Klobuchar is more charismatic than Harris, she at least has Midwestern authenticity and did better in her presidential campaign while Harris seems inauthentic.

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I been expecting Klobuchar. My problem with her is she is too safe of a pick. To be honest she does not the charisma needed to lead a ticket. This matters more because there is a chance Biden won't serve a full term. Harris would be a better pick as she has the charisma Klobuchar lacks. Whitmer might work. Her handling of the coronavirus could show readiness. She is still a couple years in her term. Duckworth not sure about.

I think Klobuchar is more charismatic than Harris, she at least has Midwestern authenticity and did better in her presidential campaign while Harris seems inauthentic.

What the heck is Midwestern authenticity? Seems like another way to say inoffensive white woman. Kamala has more electoral benefits than Klobuchar. I would want the woman Dolores Huerta endorsed because of her strong background standing up for farm workers, someone who can go to Florida and relate to first generation Caribbean communities, who can talk to the burgeoning AAPI electorates in TX and GA, and double down on suburban white women. Klobuchar ain’t got it. Picking HER would be Tim Kaine tier.

How is Kamala Harris supposed to inspire so many people as a vice-presidential candidate when she couldn't do that as a presidential candidate?

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Good. If Biden is elected, the 2022 midterms will be bad for Democrats. We'd have a better chance of holding her seat if we have the incumbent running.

I mean, not super much? The map is very good for Democrats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elections

New Mexico is safe anyway.

New Mexico? She's from Nevada lol.

Oh wait nevermind I was confusing her with someone else.

But NV is also safe.

A Clinton +2 state is not safe. It's not a sure defeat by any means, but opening that seat up is a risk for Democrats and it is winnable for Republicans.

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Hard to overstate the mistake Rice would be.

It actually is, at most she shaves off like 0.5% from Biden's margin. He could see that as too much of a risk, but maybe it is worth it for him to have a governing partner he likes and trusts the most and for the 2024 primary to be truly open (instead of it being like 2016 with Kamala as Hillary).

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If it's Rice I'm bout to unfollow my faith in this party lmao

Rice being picked would be good news at this point, it'd mean no inevitable Harris nomination in 2024.

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If it's Rice I'm bout to unfollow my faith in this party lmao

Rice being picked would be good news at this point, it'd mean no inevitable Harris nomination in 2024.

When will people learn that the 1 lesson in US politics nowadays is that nothing is inevitable?

Anyway this thread has made me convinced that that Framers of the Constitution were wrong in creating a vice presidency

I'm worried that it'll be another Hillary 2016 situation, not a truly open primary. I'm not on board with Harris 2024 and I don't get the hype for her.

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2024 US President: Lean D-Tilt R