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uti2
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« on: January 02, 2017, 02:09:24 PM »

Why is it accepted that Sanders would automatically lose to a republican, when the polling showed him to be beating all the republicans, including the strongest candidate, Kasich?

Either accept that Sanders would've won, or accept the logical conclusion that people didn't know much about those candidates to begin with. A perfect example of this is Cruz, Cruz was polling as slightly better than Hillary in Feb, and then collapsed in Apr with more media attention. This would've happened to any candidate.

Originally, the only well-known candidates were Bush, Hillary and Trump, that's it, and later on Cruz.

If you want to talk about the downballot, don't forget that Hillary's republican courtship strategy was specifically warned against the DNC which claimed it was hurting their candidates, and she did it anyway, because she thought it would give her an edge, in a normal campaign that wouldn't happen, there would've been different factors, like the russians not even leaking those documents in the first place, for instance.
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2017, 03:00:35 PM »

In the end, I really do think the socialist label would have doomed him.

Hillary's Republican courtship strategy was a good idea in theory, but it failed because everyone realized she had no common ground with them aside from some areas of foreign policy. The fact of the matter is that Hillary is not a moderate, she is a partisan and proud of it. It didn't matter that she regularly invoked God on the trail or that she promised to have an "open-door" policy toward republicans talking to her when she was in office. Everyone knew that she was a partisan. From speaking in favor of partial birth abortion to having Obama come right out and demonize people who were planning to vote Hillary/Republican Senator, she made it very clear. If you want to court the other party, you need to give them a reason why. And "I'm not Trump and I might do what you want on foreign policy sometimes. Maybe. AND RINO BLOOMBERG SUPPORTS ME!!!!!!" is not an actual reason.

The way 'Socialist Obama's' middle name being Hussein and his connections to Reverend Wright, etc. doomed him? Most Republicans believe Obama is a muslim, you think a muslim is electable but a socialist (let's be a honest, a social democrat) is not? If there was anything Bernie was known for during the primary season it was him calling himself a socialist.

Going by your logic, no dem would be able to court republicans in the first place. This speaks to political polarization and hence the favorables for the most well-known candidates like Jeb, Hillary, Trump and (Cruz at the end) being what they were, leading to my second point. When people learn more about the actual positions of those candidates they go down due to polarization.
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