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kyc0705
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« on: July 26, 2017, 09:30:08 AM »

Trump admits he's using transgenders as a campaign prop:

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Just the GOP being bigots as usual

Emily Nussbaum compared it to Bush bringing up gay marriage in 2004.
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kyc0705
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 09:43:01 AM »

Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.
That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.
So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.
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kyc0705
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 09:50:02 AM »

Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.
That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.
So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.
See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.

Nobody's asking for trans people to get an award just for being transgender. We just want them to have the same opportunities that every other American has, and that includes the choice to serve their country in the military. 69 years ago today, Harry Truman signed the executive order which de-segregated the armed forces. People were uncomfortable with that, too. But guess what? They got over it.
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kyc0705
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2017, 09:57:39 AM »

Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.
That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.
So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.
See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.
If that makes you uncomfortable, how could you possibly make a tough decision under fire?
How many transpeople are actually physically and mentally fit? Serious question. Is the ban justified overall? No, but this has more to do with the professional whiners than the professional soldiers it effects.

I'm positively astounded by the fact that you explicitly state you do not support this move, but can't bring yourself to criticize Trump, ever.
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kyc0705
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 10:04:08 AM »

Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.
That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.
So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.
See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.
If that makes you uncomfortable, how could you possibly make a tough decision under fire?
How many transpeople are actually physically and mentally fit? Serious question. Is the ban justified overall? No, but this has more to do with the professional whiners than the professional soldiers it effects.

I'm positively astounded by the fact that you explicitly state you do not support this move, but can't bring yourself to criticize Trump, ever.
You think Rubio or Cruz wouldn't have done this?
Not only will you not criticize Trump, you seem reluctant to even bring the subject of it up for discussion.
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kyc0705
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 10:10:52 AM »

Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.
That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.
So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.
See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.
If that makes you uncomfortable, how could you possibly make a tough decision under fire?
How many transpeople are actually physically and mentally fit? Serious question. Is the ban justified overall? No, but this has more to do with the professional whiners than the professional soldiers it effects.

I'm positively astounded by the fact that you explicitly state you do not support this move, but can't bring yourself to criticize Trump, ever.
You think Rubio or Cruz wouldn't have done this?
Not only will you not criticize Trump, you seem reluctant to even bring the subject of it up for discussion.
I criticized the ban. What should I do, vote for Hillary because I sympathize with a few transpeople? Jesus lol.

Voting for someone doesn't mean you have to constantly, obsessively defend them.
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