Palestine college student protest megathread

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The governor should call in the national guard

Because that worked out so well in Ohio.

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The governor should call in the national guard

Because that worked out so well in Ohio.

That’s not the only example . It worked out great in California for example

People who take life lessons from a man who sold weapons to Iran to fund authoritarian paramilitaries ought to take a good, hard look at themselves.

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Inevitable.  The University showed its belly yesterday when it didn't expel them and sweep the encampment at 2PM as threatened.  The protestors took advantage of that obvious display of weakness by amping up the violence and lawlessness.

I know everyone is cowed by social media these days and doesn't want to be on the receiving end of a bunch of edited, decontextualized clips that make ordinary police maneuvers look like violence enacted against students by the university.  But it's inevitably going to be required one way or another, since at this point that's the only way this ends.  By prolonging the inevitable, Columbia is only making things worse for itself by giving the students license to humiliate it more and more and more.

By the way, this break-in was organized by a woman from Extinction Rebellion who calls herself a "professional protest consultant." It's possible it was her idea in the first place.  You can find plenty of clips of her guiding the students -- the only one in the mob not wearing a mask, since her identity is well known.  Anyone who thinks this phenomenon is just some students spontaneously demonstrating for freedom at this point is a sucker.  It's a cesspool where all the worst people on the activist left are flourishing in the muck.

Calm down, Nixon.

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It's so weird to see leftists bring up police killing protestors. I haven't seen anyone on the right advocate for this, which is surprising how we keep being told they very self-evidently want it. I'm starting to wonder if it's in fact the leftists who keep bringing this up who actually want to see it and feigning concern to voice this opinion...

Holy hell.

Talk about trying to mischaracterise an argument!  Kent State did not happen on the orders of politicians; it happened because Guardsmen got itchy trigger fingers after politicians wanted to look tough by sending armed soldiers onto a university campus which ended in an entirely predictable result.

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It looks like the raid on Columbia is incoming. Prayers for a quick and effective operation that will result in as few injuries as possible, but that's largely in the hands of the "occupiers".

As I said above, Kent State did not happen on the orders of politicians. It happened because they sent armed soldiers onto a university campus to look tough, and then those soldiers got itchy trigger fingers because of the rhetoric coming from certain people.

That's what I fear will happen here. If any students are shot by Guardsmen or police, it will be plastered everywhere from now until election day.

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It's so weird to see leftists bring up police killing protestors. I haven't seen anyone on the right advocate for this, which is surprising how we keep being told they very self-evidently want it. I'm starting to wonder if it's in fact the leftists who keep bringing this up who actually want to see it and feigning concern to voice this opinion...

Holy hell.

Talk about trying to mischaracterise an argument!  Kent State did not happen on the orders of politicians; it happened because Guardsmen got itchy trigger fingers after politicians wanted to look tough by sending armed soldiers onto a university campus which ended in an entirely predictable result.

Kent State was not a "protest"; it was a riot.

What is going on at Columbia right now is criminal activity.  False imprisonment of people.  Destruction of property.  Blocking ingress and egress.  Occupying buildings in a manner which constitutes burglary.
These people have not been exercising their 1st Amendment rights for some time.  

To minimize the destruction of property in all of this is, of course, ignorant.  The right to Property is on a par with the right to Life and the right to Liberty; it is not to be taken without due process of law.  And it is a right that is to be defended by the government, and it is a right people have the right to defend.

People the World over come to America because in so much of the World, people can just have their stuff taken by people solely because they can.  Some of it is racial or ethnic concerns that drive the deprivation of property rights.  Some of it is simply because you're a political enemy.  Millions of people who came to America legally were people who suffered this in their home countries and were grateful that America wouldn't be like that.

You supported an attempted self-coup; if these people were Trunp supporters, you would gladly be on their side.

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Looks like it's being done by Police, which is what I was hoping for.

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Feel free to fact check me on this, but this really is not a good look.

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1785497186408558646?t=_Xw-7z8osf9xd9xOEnXGb...

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Many students at these elite institutions (one of which I attended) think they are profoundly entitled. The echo chamber of leftism and, frankly, Marxism within these institutions has resulted in a populace that is sorely incapable of defending their sometimes indefensible positions. These students have been told for decades that they are brilliant, gifted, and special. They expect others to treat them as such and believe that because of their intellectual achievements in high school and college, all of their options are worthy of belief.

They feel they are entitled to activism within its consequences. They think themselves brave but lack a cause worthy of their passion. It is, in fact, extremely depressing to watch. Young minds are being utterly rotted by the poison that has infected our higher education systems, our media, and weak willed leaders in power.

All of this at Columbia was avoidable. The blame rests on the protestors for breaking laws while claiming they are entitled to anger, violence, hate speech, and a prestigious education with a fat paycheck upon graduation. Even more so though, the blame must rest on those in power who have perpetuated this culture, accepted those students that do not deserve it on grounds of woke-ideology and progressive accolades, and parents who refuse to raise children to love this country, despite its flaws. The crisis of patriotism has led to decline across institutions because the leaders of our institutions perpetuate the rot. I hope this is a wake up call. I doubt it will be. I pray I am wrong.

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

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Feel free to fact check me on this, but this really is not a good look.

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1785497186408558646?t=_Xw-7z8osf9xd9xOEnXGb...

The fact-check would be that Eli Valley cannot be trusted under any circumstances.

Unfortunately, one of the biggest problems on the internet today is that too many people are lying for profit.

I have found some other sources corroborating this though.

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https://twitter.com/moorehn/status/1785179761116954845

Why are Palestinians so desperate to appropriate the Holocaust for themselves

The fact that they have been recategorised as stateless basically is an attempt to strip away their national identity. Then again, you have tried to characterise me as a Hamas supporter before.

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The reactions to these protests have been incredibly unhinged.

They have been overwhelmingly peaceful. The biggest examples of violence that I’ve seen (other than police action) have been counterprotestors throwing fireworks at the UCLA encampment.

Locking yourself in a university building is not violence. Pitching a tent on the quad or blocking a street are not violent acts. Civil disobedience = breaking the law in a non-violent way in order to draw attention to a larger issue.

I also haven’t seen any first-hand examples of antisemitism at the demonstrations.

Breaking the law in a non-violent way is not sacred.  You are breaking the law and will be punished accordingly.  I feel like we as a society in general have lost track of the point of non-violent protest and simply decided that anyone protesting is inherently sacred and good as long as it's "peaceful" -- and then stretched to great lengths the definition of "peaceful" and "non-violent".

Compounding matters is the fact that even when the protests do turn violent and hateful and otherwise non-peaceful, there's a common arsenal of defenses that get deployed no matter what:

• Those are just isolated examples and the "vast majority" of protests are "overwhelmingly" peaceful
• It wasn't really violence because I can just change the definition of what counts as violence
• All this violence is just outside agitators conducting false flag attacks to discredit the protests
• Well yeah but whatabout this other example of the other side being violence?  Will you condemn that?  Whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout (this is always the last resort of losers fighting a losing argument)

You are not entitled to choose which laws you will obey simply because you do it in the name of social protest.  That includes not only laws against violence and hate speech (which have been broken by countless anti-Jew protesters around the country) but also laws protecting property rights and the freedom of movement of other people.  Even if you were conducting the world's most peaceful and kindhearted protest, if Columbia University does not want you on its lawn then as a private institution that owns said lawn, it has the right to demand you leave, and if you disobey you are then trespassing and may be removed by whatever force proves necessary to remove you.  This is a basic tenet of human civilization that has held up for tens of thousands of years.

A lot of the Civil Rights Movement routinely broke the law. Would they have been criminals according to you?

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Not usually a fan of Time magazine but this photo really sums up the protests well: a woman flashing a “peace” sign while dressed up as a terrorist.

By assuming that everyone who wears a keffiyah is a terrorist, you're directly spreading anti-Muslim hatred.

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Not usually a fan of Time magazine but this photo really sums up the protests well: a woman flashing a “peace” sign while dressed up as a terrorist.

By assuming that everyone who wears a keffiyah is a terrorist, you're directly spreading anti-Muslim hatred.

That is definitely not how a keffiyah is typically worn - it's being used to evoke Hamas here.

Which still does not erase my point.