Senator Cotton Suggests Protesters Should Be Thrown Off Bridges

[GoTfan]

One of the most eye-opening moments of 2020 for me was when one of my acquaintances who I had always thought of as a go-to example of "I know someone who is as conservative as they come, but at least he supports democracy, opposes violence, and sees us all as fellow Americans" came out in support of people driving over BLM protesters if they got in their way. Of course, he then decided the election was stolen in November and then basically left all social media after January 6th after sharing a post that Big Tech was engaging in Orwellin censorship by taking away Trump's Twitter account.

Which is all to say, this is a radicalization pipeline. This is exactly how ISIS (and probably Hamas too, to some extent) wants its supporters to look at the world. In their case, it's just replacing peaceful protesters with members of other religions - two groups so historically connected that they are protected in the same breath in the Constitution.

George HW Bush sent in the military to deal with the LA Rioters while Trump didn’t have the courage to do what HW Bush did .

The BLM riots were a complete disgrace and their demands helped harm this nation

You're absolutely right that Donald Trump didn't do his job. There should have been boots on the ground. But blaming the man who was furthest right only gets us so far. I'm sure he's learned his lesson at this point, but even if he hasn't I'd rather have a President who was and is at least directionally against the rioters, the criminals, the thugs then one who is and was on their side.

And frankly, I mean it when I say I think Trump has learned his lesson. If he wins, the next four years will be wholesome for this country beyond belief. Even with executive powers alone, what the executive has wrought can be unmade. We can fire the bureaucrats. We can cripple Title 9. We can gut the political prosecutors. The DEI state, the welfare state, all of it -- it can and will be undone. We will triumph.

I don’t think Trump learnt his lesson though and I believe he learnt all the wrong lessons and at this point seems hell bent of just being a chaos agent . Like he has been obsessed with the idea that the 2020 election was stolen ever since he lost and has been making his campaign about revenge for that .  Also his foreign policy stances this time are just truly truly awful as well as he’s even been backing down from his anti China stances from his first term .

I will just say I’m happy to be living in a safe state this election cycle cause I have never ever been embarrassed by an election choice as I am by this one

Sure he has. Haven't you heard of Project 2025? Don't you see what's happened to the Espers of the world, and the Stephen Millers of the world? And frankly, China is much less of a problem than our domestic problems.  Should we be preparing to fight them for Taiwan? Sure, but we could lose Taiwan and it would still be less important than who wins the battle for America here. As Lincoln said, America can only be defeated from within. Focus on the big picture.

The question though with any plan is the details. While yes we need a dramatic reshaping of the civil service , the question is who will Trump put in those positions. Will they be people who are actually interested in bringing a conservative constitutional government or will they be people who are just put in their case they are loyal to Trump but in reality are very incompetent at their jobs .

The latter does not bring on conservative goals and instead just make it easier for the left to push culture even more to the left as our efforts will quickly become unpopular and also easier to tie up in the courts . At the end of the day , Trump has never shown to be a disciplined person and bringing upon the changes you need requires a lot of discipline and while I wish Trump was disciplined, he absolutely is not .

Listen , I hope to be wrong but his actions since November 2020 have not really given me faith in his abilities

You're exactly the same as Trump when it comes to the civil service; you don't want people promoted on merit, but loyalty to your ideology. The only difference is your ideology has some surface-level disagreements with his but aim for the same goals.

The "Responsible Republican" issue with Trump isn't his views; it's that he said the quiet parts out loud.

[GoTfan]

Again, you and Trump would both be fine with political civil service workers if they were pushing your ideology.

[GoTfan]

Again, you and Trump would both be fine with political civil service workers if they were pushing your ideology.

Yes I would be fine with a political civil service if they were pushing my ideology . They serve at the whim of the president and are not a separate branch of government.

That’s better than what we have Now which is a progressive one regardless of whose president

Yeah, because the Spoils System was famously staffed by incorruptible men.

[GoTfan]

Again, you and Trump would both be fine with political civil service workers if they were pushing your ideology.

Yes I would be fine with a political civil service if they were pushing my ideology . They serve at the whim of the president and are not a separate branch of government.

That’s better than what we have Now which is a progressive one regardless of whose president

Yeah, because the Spoils System was famously staffed by incorruptible men.

What we have now is an ideological civil service whose goal is to push the progressive agenda regardless of whose president and regardless of what the president wants to do .

So yes there is nothing wrong with conservatives wanting to have a conservative civil service when a Republican is president. If you think this is a problem then you can always agree to pass the reins act and kneecap their powers but until then it’s only fair that the civil service under a Republican president pushes a conservative agenda .

What if I happen to think that the Republican Party in its current form is a dangerous threat to life and democracy in the US?

[GoTfan]

Again, you and Trump would both be fine with political civil service workers if they were pushing your ideology.

Yes I would be fine with a political civil service if they were pushing my ideology . They serve at the whim of the president and are not a separate branch of government.

That’s better than what we have Now which is a progressive one regardless of whose president

Yeah, because the Spoils System was famously staffed by incorruptible men.

What we have now is an ideological civil service whose goal is to push the progressive agenda regardless of whose president and regardless of what the president wants to do .

So yes there is nothing wrong with conservatives wanting to have a conservative civil service when a Republican is president. If you think this is a problem then you can always agree to pass the reins act and kneecap their powers but until then it’s only fair that the civil service under a Republican president pushes a conservative agenda .

What if I happen to think that the Republican Party in its current form is a dangerous threat to life and democracy in the US?

Then you should support efforts to kneecap the powers of the civil service

Kid, no, just no. The civil service is how a country is run, vs your goal of gutting it to make it fail and going “see, it’s terrible, we need to eliminate it”. It doesn’t work on people with critical thinking skills.

Ok then we get to run it to implement the conservative agenda as well .

That agenda right now includes the destruction of American democracy.

[GoTfan]

Fuzzy, five it a rest. You're doing your side of the argument more bad than good.

It is a pattern though. BLM? "Crush them, beat them, lock them up for life."

J6? "It's not an insurrection and was a legitimate protest."