Elizabeth Warren 2020 campaign megathread

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She's an interesting candidate.

I liked a point that Kyle Kulinski really pointed out, her campaign will be defined by whether or not she has the guts to step away from the establishment and corporatism in all forms.

If she runs as a pure progressive - Medicare for All, address climate change and the student loan debt crisis - she probably still won't win but could reach 5-10% in polling.

If she appeals to centrism and the establishment, her campaign will be one of the biggest humiliations in recent years.

Her problem with progressives is that she waffled on Sanders and Clinton in 2016 when she was more ideologically similar to Sanders, and then endorsed Clinton after the primaries finished.

I'm not stupid enough that I won't admit many progressives aren't vindictive to the point of idiocy, but she is treading on mighty thin ice with the rest of us.

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I really really really like her message and policies but the native American stuff gives me pause...

So you'd rather vote based on someone's ancestry than their policies?

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Elizabeth Warren is just not presidential material to me. Outside of the whole Native American stuff, she comes off as a nerdy professor. Coincidentally, that's exactly what she was before entering politics.

I like most of what she is proposing but she's just not electable. Also, she's not going to get even close to winning the primary.

She's the opposite of Trump, and that's what Democratic primary voters want.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL. Don't make me laugh.

Most.primary polls show that most Democratic primary voters don't care about Warren.

Please. Primary polls are strictly a measure of name recognition at this point.

Once again, don't make me laugh. Warren has no chance.

What is with your irrational hatred of anything left wing? The second anyone criticises Harris, you jump out at them as if they're Satan.

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Of all the potential nominees, she'd probably be the best president.  Unfortunately, I don't think she's the best candidate.  It's a shame that the ability to govern and the ability to politic so often diverge. 

This. I feel like Warren has the best economic policy for someone like me, but with her brings a load of anti-Native and racist rhetoric that will serve as a distraction from Trump's gross incompetence and corruption. It sucks.

Trump's going to run a racist, xenophobic, and extremely ignorant campaign regardless of the nominee. So, I wouldn't let that factor into the equation. I highly doubt Warren will actually lose voters over this issue; anyone who's willing to vote for Trump over Warren's Native American ancestry controversy would almost certainly vote for him regardless of the Democratic candidate.

This is true, but besides the racism, he will use this to foster an image that Warren is corrupt, untrustworthy, and has no credibility. These type of things thrive among low information voters and I don't mean Trump acolytes, I mean passive voters who will vote Dem if they bother but can be easily swayed into cynicism towards a candidate.

At the very least, Warren should get nominated for Treasury Secretary or Attorney-General if the Democrats win in 2020. She'd be able to do a lot of good there.

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Of all the potential nominees, she'd probably be the best president.  Unfortunately, I don't think she's the best candidate.  It's a shame that the ability to govern and the ability to politic so often diverge. 

This. I feel like Warren has the best economic policy for someone like me, but with her brings a load of anti-Native and racist rhetoric that will serve as a distraction from Trump's gross incompetence and corruption. It sucks.

Trump's going to run a racist, xenophobic, and extremely ignorant campaign regardless of the nominee. So, I wouldn't let that factor into the equation. I highly doubt Warren will actually lose voters over this issue; anyone who's willing to vote for Trump over Warren's Native American ancestry controversy would almost certainly vote for him regardless of the Democratic candidate.

This is true, but besides the racism, he will use this to foster an image that Warren is corrupt, untrustworthy, and has no credibility. These type of things thrive among low information voters and I don't mean Trump acolytes, I mean passive voters who will vote Dem if they bother but can be easily swayed into cynicism towards a candidate.

At the very least, Warren should get nominated for Treasury Secretary or Attorney-General if the Democrats win in 2020. She'd be able to do a lot of good there.

Putting Warren in the cabinet would cost Democrats a Senate seat for a few months, and could potentially cost Democrats her Senate seat for much longer if there's another surprising special election upset a la 2010.  Personally, I mostly trust the voters of Massachusetts not to make that kind of mistake again, but there is some risk.

When Kennedy is essentially lining up for a Senate run?

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Warren unveils new legislation that would make it easier to jail top executives for white collar crime
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/437128-warren-introduces-legislation-making-it-easier-to-jail-top-business

Has anyone else proposed this yet? Not that sure.

Well done, Warren.

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Warren unveils new legislation that would make it easier to jail top executives for white collar crime
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/437128-warren-introduces-legislation-making-it-easier-to-jail-top-business

Has anyone else proposed this yet? Not that sure.

Well done, Warren.

Warren is far and away the leader on policy in this race.

No kidding. She seems to be the one shaping the debate so far. Whether or not that translates to the voting booth remains to be seen.

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Warren would be an amazing president. Too bad that a lot of Americans hate her because "Pocahontas" or she's "shrill" or something like that.

The first one she did botch a little, but there's a pretty simple explanation for the second part.

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Good legislation but Warren will still be a terrible President. It is not the  job of the President to provide minor details of every single legislation.

Anyways what is interesting is her fundraising. Will show how long she will survive.

Why would Warren be a terrible President?

She'd be far and away the most progressive POTUS since FDR.

I may be lending Shadows too much credibility with this, but he may be bringing up that Warren would face possibly even more difficulty than Sanders in passing her agenda.

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The media focused on Clinton’s emails, false stories about the Clinton Foundation, and perpetuating the narrative that she was dying because she caught pneumonia.

Meanwhile, whether good or bad focusing on Trump’s comments on Mexicans and Muslims was literally elevating his policy positions and reinforcing them over and over again.

So the media is responisble for everything that went wrong with Hillary's campaign?

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The media focused on Clinton’s emails, false stories about the Clinton Foundation, and perpetuating the narrative that she was dying because she caught pneumonia.

Meanwhile, whether good or bad focusing on Trump’s comments on Mexicans and Muslims was literally elevating his policy positions and reinforcing them over and over again.

So the media is responisble for everything that went wrong with Hillary's campaign?

You have to be in opposition to everything I say? I just made a statement about how the media neglected Hillary’s policy positions and elevated Trump’s. Nothing more nothing less.

You have to insist that Hillary's loss was not her fault at all? All I'm saying is that Hillary ran a campaign based on platitudes, as has been documented above. People aren't that stupid.

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The media focused on Clinton’s emails, false stories about the Clinton Foundation, and perpetuating the narrative that she was dying because she caught pneumonia.

Meanwhile, whether good or bad focusing on Trump’s comments on Mexicans and Muslims was literally elevating his policy positions and reinforcing them over and over again.

So the media is responisble for everything that went wrong with Hillary's campaign?

You have to be in opposition to everything I say? I just made a statement about how the media neglected Hillary’s policy positions and elevated Trump’s. Nothing more nothing less.

You have to insist that Hillary's loss was not her fault at all? All I'm saying is that Hillary ran a campaign based on platitudes, as has been documented above. People aren't that stupid.

Say what you want about the Clinton campaign, but it was effective and she was clearly winning right up until Comey intervened in the last few days prior to the election. Who knows?  Maybe a different strategy would have been more effective, but the strategy her campaign adapted was a winning one until outside forces scrambled the vote at the last minute.

Of course! It's all Comey's  fault!

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Warren is killing this town hall

She’s really making me consider supporting her. She’s coming across as knowledgeable, personable, and just plain real. When she talks, I believe her.

I don’t know where the idea that she’s “shrill” or “uncharismatic” comes from. She’s probably the most likeable of all the female candidates.

I never really got that argument either. She's the oldest woman in the race, so she might come across to some as an overly-strict grandma or something.

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Warren is killing this town hall

She’s really making me consider supporting her. She’s coming across as knowledgeable, personable, and just plain real. When she talks, I believe her.

I don’t know where the idea that she’s “shrill” or “uncharismatic” comes from. She’s probably the most likeable of all the female candidates.

I never really got that argument either. She's the oldest woman in the race, so she might come across to some as an overly-strict grandma or something.

As near as I can figure out, it comes from, "I don't want to vote for a woman, but don't want to say that out loud. So I'll tell everyone 'I don't like her personality'. " Then they go off and support a confessed serial abuser.

That is scarily truthful.

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Can a two-woman ticket win?
How do you guys think an Elizabeth Warren/Catherine Cortez Masto ticket would do? I chose them because I know that Warren and Cortez Masto are super close, and I think they have great chemistry. A Massachusetts/Nevada ticket is my kind of ticket, too.

Yes. She should pick her or Julian Castro.

At this point it is indisputable that Warren has the most transformative yet realistic agenda for millennials and black America. I’m supporting her as my top pick at this point. I think she has an unusual and narrow path but it’s there.

Time to change your username to Warren Warrior, maybe? I think Warren would be winning if Democratic voters were all policy wonks that carefully critiqued every candidate based on their proposed policies and plans for enacting those policies. However, I think that describes maybe 10-15% of voters at most.

LOL. I will probably just go back to my regular username when I get home. I tried so hard to hold out for Beto. He says ALL the right things but I just don’t see the political will or fight to do it if he actually gets in. My vote will obviously change if it needs to strategically but Warren is the best person in this field to me.

How come you've soured on Beto? Do you just not see him as the left-wing strongman (for lack of a better term) needed?

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A slew of polls this week show Warren gaining support and they're estimating it's coming at the expense of Bernie Sanders.

 I can't speak to this because I've never been a Bernie supporter. Are there any Bernie folks here who have switched to Warren?

 Also for Warren this is the first month of polling results showing her beating Trump head to head in multiple polls.

Warren's my number 2 but I am reconsidering that.

[GoTfan]

A slew of polls this week show Warren gaining support and they're estimating it's coming at the expense of Bernie Sanders.

 I can't speak to this because I've never been a Bernie supporter. Are there any Bernie folks here who have switched to Warren?

 Also for Warren this is the first month of polling results showing her beating Trump head to head in multiple polls.

Warren's my number 2 but I am reconsidering that.

Warren might become your top pick?

Yes. I really like what she's been saying; bringing forward policies that should really have been in place some years ago. She's shaping the conversation; the others are largely playing catch-up.

That's another thing. I LOVE that she is centering her campaign around her policies and not her personality. It's incredibly refreshing.

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If Warren replaces Sanders as the dominant candidate of the party left she could gain a lot of support as she is more acceptable to the rest of the party and to the establishment than Bernie. While I'm sceptical still about electability, if she can come from behind and win the primary that's a pretty strong case for her being a good candidate.

I'm still convinced that one of them will drop out soon after the primaries start to clear the way for the other.

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Warren proposes $2 trillion 'green manufacturing' plan

The manufacturing program is the first in a new series of “economic patriotism” proposals Warren is unveiling intended to create American jobs and help U.S. industry.

“This is going to be a big plan for bold structural changes,” Warren said at a campaign rally in Detroit, Michigan.

Warren told the crowd of about 500 in a facility that teaches manufacturing skills that her proposal would be paid for by cutting subsidies in the oil and gas industry. Additionally, all companies paying more taxes, she said, singling out Amazon.com .

The rest of her “Economic Patriotism” plans have been just as good.

Is it just me or does "Economic Patriotism" have similar connotations to TR's "New Nationalism"?

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Calling it now, Warren will be the nominee.

Warren seems to be experiencing that slow, but steady and ultimately strong buildup in support, and, in terms of historical trends for successful primary campaigns, she's in the right position in terms of portion of support at this time.

You may well be right.

She seems to have set herself up to play the long game. Very shrewd.

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I can't see Warren picking a woman as her running mate. As insensitive as it may sound, i think having two women on the ticket may just be too much for certain people.

If he was still in office, I'd say Russ Feingold would be a pretty good choice.

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America needs immigrants. We have entire towns that are disappearing in Main Street and an aging workforce that needs replacement. Immigrants coming from Central America are clearly fleeing a bad scene like the Italians and Irish did before them to seek the opportunity for a better life. This isn't that complicated, make the process easier. There's no reason for children and their parents to be suffering dangerous journeys and even death when they can fly over here in an airplane.

 

It’s pure racism. Half of these people screaming know damn well immigrants don’t impact their lives in a negative way.

Don't immigrants also add millions to the economy as well?

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The fact that this thread keeps getting sidetracked is a reflection of what's wrong with Warren's campaign.

If anything, it means she's keeping her head down, minding her business, and talking to voters. Most of the threads are hot when we are discussing something negative about the candidate & campaign. Warren is in a pretty good spot right now.

Which is exactly what will pay off for her in the long run.

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The Bernie Bros ^TM will say anything to ruin Warren

Yes, because every single Sanders supporter absolutely despises Warren.

The vast majority of his supporters would be pretty happy with Warren. But keep painting us with the same brush; it worked out well three years ago.

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The Bernie Bros ^TM will say anything to ruin Warren

Yes, because every single Sanders supporter absolutely despises Warren.

The vast majority of his supporters would be pretty happy with Warren. But keep painting us with the same brush; it worked out well three years ago.

He didn’t say Sanders supporters. He said Bernie Bros and they are absolutely grilling Warren simply for not being their God.

Anyone who supports Sanders is a Bernie Bro according to Atlas.